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  1. #141
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    Wow.

    Well that was my first and last visit to these forums. Nice to see that MMO forums truly are the same cesspools everywhere you go. Seriously speaking, Dawntrail was a breath of fresh air after what felt like neverending doom and gloom for so many expansions. And even then Dawntrail wasn't exactly sunshine and happiness, it was an expansion about Acceptance in various forms. Acceptance of birth, death, circumstance, limitations, ideals etc....

    I really think people are in a wierd echo chamber about Dawntrail and failing to see it for what it is. The only thing I felt was a bit to forced was Wuk Lamats sudden entry in at the end. But even so the 7.1 story right away opened up multiple new threads, and there is a ton of unsolved mystery in Dawntrail if you actually do the optional dungeons and side quests...

    Dawntrail felt like a modern take on ARR, except now we are the mentor figure. And it was honestly refreshing to me. And I loved Wuk Lamat, I didn't expect her to be some heroic figure, I expected an insecure young regent who is struggling to come to terms with her own position. And that is what I got, and she grew during the expansion.

    The sheer negativity on these forums makes me feel a lot of you are really bored of FFXIV and what it actually is, and are playing out of attachment. And that is fine, but it also seems to lead you to dislike new content because it doesn't make you feel like the old content felt.

    That is called Nostalgia and Rose tinted glasses, nothing can bring back that, but you can experience new content and enjoy it. If you try to stop expecting things, and just enjoy them for what they are instead.

    I saw tons of hate about the endwalker post patch story as well, and that is probably my favorite storyline in all of FFXIV tbh. So yeah, I can tell the forums are a very negative echo chamber. So this will be my first and final post I suppose. I only came here to suggest that Chaos mode dungeons would be a nice thing, since so many leveling dungeons with cool mechanics never get to truly shine.

    Oh well, enjoy your depressive posting I guess. It sure as hell made me feel sorry for you.
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  2. #142
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    Quote Originally Posted by CVXIV View Post
    Darker and edgier?
    People complained nonstop about the more lighthearted tone the story had, especially with the role quests
    The MSQ got darker in certain areas but overall it was more lighthearted compared to what was seen in Endwalker which is what came directly before

    also, FF7 isn't really an edgy FF title
    Can't say much about FF8, I have yet to beat it but plan on it someday soon
    FF8 is the most edgy FF title ever produced. It’s like you put a range of mental issues, a dose of ‘chuunibyou’ & narcissism and the movie Vanilla Sky in a blender.

    It’s good in it’s own right though.
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  3. 12-23-2024 01:03 AM

  4. #143
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiaDeem View Post
    The new Starlight area in Gridania made me smile wider and longer than any area in Dawntrail.
    But was the music telling you to smile?
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  5. #144
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    Quote Originally Posted by Incantus View Post
    I saw tons of hate about the endwalker post patch story as well, and that is probably my favorite storyline in all of FFXIV tbh. So yeah, I can tell the forums are a very negative echo chamber.
    Or you have awful taste. That's, you know, another conclusion you could make.
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    One only needs to look at the Relic weapons of EW, PVP and the shear lack of concern when it comes to these events to see that FF14 has stumbled.. I mean, if we're talking about the beast tribes.. there is literally one quest where you talk to someone, have to collect from reeds, which happen to be RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE, you don't even have to MOVE to finish that quest.. that is just lazy on their part. I won't go as far as saying they have lost their way, but the dev team surely has some blinders on.

    They are not offering a reason to play monthly at the moment.. You can get everything from just playing one month a quarter... this isn't how an MMO should be.. I played FF11 and although that takes it to a completely different extreme it WAS fun to play and is STILL fun to play.. The adventure of it all makes for a great game in my opinion... with everything, jobs, mechanics, relics, etc, they have dumbed it down so much that it's no longer fun to play.

    With the new updates, you get a few hours of content and then it's just grinding crap for the sake of grinding... Relics should be hard to get, period. PVP should have no rewards to 3rd place. It's sad to see the same people that created so many hours of great content just run it into the ground. I am still hoping out hope but if by the next main expansion they don't change I will just play twice a year and be done with it... there are far too many games to play that offer a challenge and great rewards at the end of that challenge to keep giving into this dumbed down version of what we're getting..
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  7. 12-23-2024 07:54 AM

  8. #146
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    Quote Originally Posted by Incantus View Post
    Wow.

    Well that was my first and last visit to these forums. Nice to see that MMO forums truly are the same cesspools everywhere you go. Seriously speaking, Dawntrail was a breath of fresh air after what felt like neverending doom and gloom for so many expansions. And even then Dawntrail wasn't exactly sunshine and happiness, it was an expansion about Acceptance in various forms. Acceptance of birth, death, circumstance, limitations, ideals etc....

    I really think people are in a wierd echo chamber about Dawntrail and failing to see it for what it is. The only thing I felt was a bit to forced was Wuk Lamats sudden entry in at the end. But even so the 7.1 story right away opened up multiple new threads, and there is a ton of unsolved mystery in Dawntrail if you actually do the optional dungeons and side quests...

    Dawntrail felt like a modern take on ARR, except now we are the mentor figure. And it was honestly refreshing to me. And I loved Wuk Lamat, I didn't expect her to be some heroic figure, I expected an insecure young regent who is struggling to come to terms with her own position. And that is what I got, and she grew during the expansion.

    The sheer negativity on these forums makes me feel a lot of you are really bored of FFXIV and what it actually is, and are playing out of attachment. And that is fine, but it also seems to lead you to dislike new content because it doesn't make you feel like the old content felt.

    That is called Nostalgia and Rose tinted glasses, nothing can bring back that, but you can experience new content and enjoy it. If you try to stop expecting things, and just enjoy them for what they are instead.

    I saw tons of hate about the endwalker post patch story as well, and that is probably my favorite storyline in all of FFXIV tbh. So yeah, I can tell the forums are a very negative echo chamber. So this will be my first and final post I suppose. I only came here to suggest that Chaos mode dungeons would be a nice thing, since so many leveling dungeons with cool mechanics never get to truly shine.

    Oh well, enjoy your depressive posting I guess. It sure as hell made me feel sorry for you.
    Hey you can have your own echo chamber too, it's r/ffxiv. You're welcome!
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  9. #147
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlucaDragonheart View Post
    Hey you can have your own echo chamber too, it's r/ffxiv. You're welcome!
    Ironically, even they didn't like 6.X all that much. When the patches finished, most of the comments were about either how it wound up essentially being a near FFIV rip, how it spent months of build-up without feeling like there was any real pay-off, issues with Zero's character seeming underdeveloped and/ or the writing feeling underwhelming.

    Some people weren't bothered one way or the other and just took it for what it was, of course, and to each their own, but to jump in and call one of the most universally criticised and unpopular arcs of the game your favourite part of the whole of FFXIV and decide any opinions to the contrary signals "a negative echo chamber" is certainly a choice.
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  10. #148
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    But was the music telling you to smile?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Incantus View Post
    Snip.
    With all due respect, I don't know what reactions you expect when you came here basically telling people that they just repeat after each other and don't have their own opinions and then try to push your opinion on other people and calling them wrong for thinking something else than you do. There are as many opinions as there are people and everyone is entitled to have their own, just because a lot of people don't like something doesn't mean that they are an echo chamber and that any of them are wrong, opinions are subjective.

    I started playing FFXIV a little bit over a year ago so I didn't have enough time to build up any real nostalgia in me and after finishing all the MSQ parts, I also think that Dawntrail ended up being a VERY weak part of the game. To be honest it was the first part of the MSQ that made me want to skip some cutscenes, but I decided not to do it, just to make sure I still understood what was going on. Mind you, I was not a fun of Stormblood at all, it was just not my cup of tea, and even during Stormblood I didn't find myself so straight up bored and annoyed and I met some new characters there that I actually cared about. Additionally, I didn't read any opinions about Dawntrail until I finished the MSQ so I was not biased by anything and I for sure was not "echoing" anyone else's opinion. From what I know, in my FC that has some new players and some veterans, there's not really one person that genuinely likes Dawntrail, there are some that think that it is so far an okay-ish expansion, but no one actually truly likes it. Maybe besides dungeons and raids, I enjoyed these as well. And I can see these opinions being reflected by how many people in my FC closed their subscriptions very fast after finishing MSQ or log in only once a week to do raids and that's it.

    Tl;DR nostalgia and bias are not the problem here and everyone is entitled to have their own opinion.

    Happy Yuletide to everyone!
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  12. #150
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    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    ff7 is pretty edgy lol. the main character and main villain are about as emo as it gets. its about a dystopian future where climate change has ravaged the lands purity and where people are killed for speaking out. its dark, its grungy and it works!. but lets not confuse the difference here between light hearted and older final fantasy, because they were still edgy. but there had good soul and good message of hope and unity. and that was never present in dawntrail, ever. what was, felt forced.
    I think you might be thinking primarily of Advent Children Cloud (and in general). FVII itself has a lot of locales full of life (especially in Rebirth) and Cloud in VII, Remake and Rebirth is more of a socially awkward individual (but not reluctant to do fun things). Sephiroth is also definitely not emo. He's just a very dangerously ambitious and manipulative man with a pet world ending alien. Message of hope and unity is pretty accurate, though. Despite the world facing its inevitable end, the party fights against it.
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