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    VeyaAkemi's Avatar
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    Veya Akemi
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    The problem isn't quite scaling, it's max iLvl, Endsinger used to have a similar issue where as the post patch stuff started happening and the max available iLvl increased, she started to die very fast after the LB3 sequence and you wouldn't even get to hear the Scions's lines, much less witness the desperation sequence that is the final phase, but they have since added a stricter iLvl 570 limit(for reference, Hydaelyn syncs to 550), and now the fight flows like it should.

    Those two aren't even the only two that have this problem, a very big one to me is Thordan, who will die *moments* after his own LB sequence, and a bit of the narrative, that Thordan threw everything he had at WoL and we were still standing, so by that point he is desperately swinging while completely exhausted and barely able to move, is lost in the process, Thordan in general may need a whole rework, it's known that he can be beaten solo while sync'd.
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi View Post
    The problem isn't quite scaling, it's max iLvl, Endsinger used to have a similar issue where as the post patch stuff started happening and the max available iLvl increased, she started to die very fast after the LB3 sequence and you wouldn't even get to hear the Scions's lines, much less witness the desperation sequence that is the final phase, but they have since added a stricter iLvl 570 limit(for reference, Hydaelyn syncs to 550), and now the fight flows like it should.

    Those two aren't even the only two that have this problem, a very big one to me is Thordan, who will die *moments* after his own LB sequence, and a bit of the narrative, that Thordan threw everything he had at WoL and we were still standing, so by that point he is desperately swinging while completely exhausted and barely able to move, is lost in the process, Thordan in general may need a whole rework, it's known that he can be beaten solo while sync'd.
    Thordan isn’t a good example (but the problem listed is true and should be fixed)

    Thordan has been a joke since 3.0
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Kali Zeruel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Thordan isn’t a good example (but the problem listed is true and should be fixed)

    Thordan has been a joke since 3.0
    I recently did Thordan (normal) with someone for their first time. Since we had a full party we set it to MINE. None of the mechanics were even slightly threatening and we still had to hold dps to see his angry flailing at the end.
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    Rebecca Shadowhurt
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi View Post
    The problem isn't quite scaling, it's max iLvl, Endsinger used to have a similar issue where as the post patch stuff started happening and the max available iLvl increased, she started to die very fast after the LB3 sequence and you wouldn't even get to hear the Scions's lines, much less witness the desperation sequence that is the final phase, but they have since added a stricter iLvl 570 limit(for reference, Hydaelyn syncs to 550), and now the fight flows like it should.

    Those two aren't even the only two that have this problem, a very big one to me is Thordan, who will die *moments* after his own LB sequence, and a bit of the narrative, that Thordan threw everything he had at WoL and we were still standing, so by that point he is desperately swinging while completely exhausted and barely able to move, is lost in the process, Thordan in general may need a whole rework, it's known that he can be beaten solo while sync'd.
    Yeah I knew scaling didnt cover everything to say about it but I only had so much space so I chose the one that felt like it could be the most broadly applicable lol. Originally I tried "old content" or "gear sync" but those didnt work right either.

    I do think the issue is more than just the iLvL sync cause I feel we are also ballooning in power way too fast even on current content. The difference between each ilvl upgrade is getting insane.
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    Stormy Bolt
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by VeyaAkemi View Post
    The problem isn't quite scaling, it's max iLvl, Endsinger used to have a similar issue where as the post patch stuff started happening and the max available iLvl increased, she started to die very fast after the LB3 sequence and you wouldn't even get to hear the Scions's lines, much less witness the desperation sequence that is the final phase, but they have since added a stricter iLvl 570 limit(for reference, Hydaelyn syncs to 550), and now the fight flows like it should.

    Those two aren't even the only two that have this problem, a very big one to me is Thordan, who will die *moments* after his own LB sequence, and a bit of the narrative, that Thordan threw everything he had at WoL and we were still standing, so by that point he is desperately swinging while completely exhausted and barely able to move, is lost in the process, Thordan in general may need a whole rework, it's known that he can be beaten solo while sync'd.
    I don't know why they didn't fix the Thordan fight when they revamped Heavensward. I think it's really cool afterall the whole fight and he does his ultimate attack, he's left completely helpless and just flails about, ignoring aggro and just swinging wildly at random players. Such a shame that pretty much no one gets to see that happen anymore.
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