Do you think that Picto needs a nerf?

[Connor]

'Phys ranged' being used in a derogatory way again. Please give BRD, and MCH like they do in PVP, and the 4th phys ranged walking casts so they can be treated like real jobs -- like a real role.

I mean I’ll take anything that makes ‘phys ranged’ a valued and worthwhile role and not a literal slur against other jobs lol.

I can’t understand how the devs completely ignored the effect something like Pictomancer has on physical ranged anyway.
Like, they seriously didn’t realize how this raid-buff using super mobile dps with an easy to approach ‘rotation’ and defensive utility might cause problems for the overall vastly inferior phys ranged? lol

Frankly I don’t think the LB changes or 1% stat bonus come anywhere close to compensating how generally inferior phys ranged feel to Pictomancer (and casters in general lol). If anything they were just lazy changes to enforce a balanced composition without ever having to approach the actual balancing problems

[CalvinDescoles]

short answer :

YES

long answer :

There is no viable option to w/o nerfing it.

Buff everything else ? Then you'll just create even more power creep from not so old content (savage and ultimate), making this ultimate even more easy in dps check.

touch nothing and wait for 8.0 ? Well yeah but there is jobs that suffer from this position (and oh boy how the caster jobs are a mess right now).

CBU just created their own nightmare of balance.

[Altera]

short answer :

YES

long answer :

There is no viable option to w/o nerfing it.

Buff everything else ? Then you'll just create even more power creep from not so old content (savage and ultimate), making this ultimate even more easy in dps check.

touch nothing and wait for 8.0 ? Well yeah but there is jobs that suffer from this position (and oh boy how the caster jobs are a mess right now).

CBU just created their own nightmare of balance.

I feel they should remove PCT from Dawntrail and reintroduce it with 8.0 when all Jobs can get their own uniqueness as they claim we will get.

Though I really hate if BLM becomes more and more an instant cast caster. As the defeats the whole point of the role of CASTER. They really should stop adding movement requirements to raid boss encounters and add something caster and ranged can deal with instead etc. I'm pretty sick of Mario karting tbh xD

I am dreading what will happen to Chaotic 24man. As PCT will just be thee most viable job possibly negating the use of Limit Break even.

[Ggwppino]

How fatalistic you are.
Last expansion the casters had to suffer a smn which was a cheat, de facto giving the caster spot to a pranged. With a BLM that suffered throughout the expansion from damage adjustments in order to gain a minimum of appeal that it did not receive, and a rdm that was ignored throughout the expansion for being extremly less worth to carry than the smn.
At least the PCT is a damn caster.

[Azurarok]

Given PCT's heavy burst focus would maybe giving the entire 2 minute meta a good toning down be good for it? Not just Starry Muse, but across the board.

It's still insane to me they didn't adjust the strength of buffs like AST's Divination after extending them to 20s.

[Tigore]

@ Kabooa

The motif cast times and GCD time being temporarily reduced from using the PCT's uptime casting does sound like an interesting idea to combine with reducing the opener burst a bit. Although I wouldn't place it on Holy / Comet to reduce the motif casts. Maybe finishing the "subtractive combo" grants a one or two stack buff for the muse casts to be adjusted to the standard 1.5s cast and 2.5s GCD? Zero Spell Speed for those numbers, of course.

It is also possible for the other class cooldowns to be checked as well. Looking at the latest cDPS graph, PCT was just one of the classes who got some benefit from the high downtimes. DRG, NIN and possibly SAM appears to be performing better in these scenarios too with high damage in their burst cooldowns.

[Supersnow845]

@ Kabooa

The motif cast times and GCD time being temporarily reduced from using the PCT's uptime casting does sound like an interesting idea to combine with reducing the opener burst a bit. Although I wouldn't place it on Holy / Comet to reduce the motif casts. Maybe finishing the "subtractive combo" grants a one or two stack buff for the muse casts to be adjusted to the standard 1.5s cast and 2.5s GCD? Zero Spell Speed for those numbers, of course.

It is also possible for the other class cooldowns to be checked as well. Looking at the latest cDPS graph, PCT was just one of the classes who got some benefit from the high downtimes. DRG, NIN and possibly SAM appears to be performing better in these scenarios too with high damage in their burst cooldowns.

The last thing PCT needs is to cast less

If anything you could nerf it by extending all its casts

Keep the weave windows (making the GCD longer) but every spells cast time should basically be its current recast time (so normal goes to 2.5/3.5, subtractive goes to 3.3/4.3 and motifs go to 4/5)

[Tigore]

I think the person I was responding to was concerned about the full uptime casting DPS. So far, it's a weakness PCT has and some posters are also discussing about reducing their burst DPS reward.

It's hard for me to say if the fights with full uptime would cause PCT to plummet too much once we do nerf them. I am expecting to keep it as a slight weakness for them as long as they aren't completely hosed with fights they are weaker with. If it already would be only a slight weakness after the nerfs, we may be able to disregard this suggestion then.

[mallleable]

Maybe PCT can take a page from how Dual Cast works, and make it so that Swift Casted Motifs do not grant Muses like how Swift Casted spells do no grant Dual Cast. You would need to hard cast every Motif to get a Muse. It might not completely get rid of the playstyle, but it will make a lot harder.

[CKNovel]

CBU just created their own nightmare of balance.

Not really a nightmare. It's simply that they refuse to nerf PCT and their constant double down on 120s meta.
CBU3 just straight up walked in dog poop because they refused to strafe around said dog poop just to avoid hurting someone's feelings.

And that's basically just a classic CBU3 story, picking the most unhealthy choices just to avoid hurting feelings.