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    Raveen Raines
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    Quote Originally Posted by RheyIdol View Post
    It's a small consolation that requiring pct in your party is basically like admitting you cant make dps checks. But really, I'm so sick of being right about this affront to fun. Honestly, square, just remove the class, its ok, we wont be mad. Everyone makes mistakes, and Picto is simply that; a mistake. Its ok, we can start over. We can rebuild. Just delete it, and we can all go back to a FF where classes actually have function.

    But seriously wow, what an awful mess this class is. How many times do I need to reiterate that it's balance is such travesty that it's actually ruining the games fun.

    The irony is that I want to play this game but picto makes it harder, unless i choose to give in and swap to it(spoilers; ill never even unlock it)

    But hey gee at LEAST ENOCHIAN WAS NERFED BY 1% AMIRIGHT GUYS?!?! PHEW THAT WAS GUNNA JUST BE WAY TOO BROKEN LMAO

    Please honestly either nerf the life out of picto or actually buff other jobs.
    Not that anyone important enough for anyone to read, nor would they ever delete a job, but this single-handedly resparked my joy for caster.

    It is by far the most interesting job in the game and I hope all future jobs and reworks take notes from it.

    The reason it’s such a problem is that it shows the blatant flaws with many other job designs.
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    Mao Xifeng
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sequora View Post
    Not that anyone important enough for anyone to read, nor would they ever delete a job, but this single-handedly resparked my joy for caster.

    It is by far the most interesting job in the game and I hope all future jobs and reworks take notes from it.

    The reason it’s such a problem is that it shows the blatant flaws with many other job designs.
    Mao disagrees. What PCTs show is how narrowly focussed game has become on boss fight design. When all boss fights become DDR, it should not be surprisings that a job designed SPECIFICALLY for DDR fights would excel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eraden View Post
    Mao disagrees. What PCTs show is how narrowly focussed game has become on boss fight design. When all boss fights become DDR, it should not be surprisings that a job designed SPECIFICALLY for DDR fights would excel.
    You basically agreed with the person you replied to

    I know you are a BLM main mao and the modern fight design just hates what BLM is but loves what PCT is. This reveals flaws on both sides. The fight design is too narrow in its scope but the modern jobs sans PCT are too rigid and their only solution to them not fitting properly into the modern design is fundamentally altering them
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    You basically agreed with the person you replied to

    I know you are a BLM main mao and the modern fight design just hates what BLM is but loves what PCT is. This reveals flaws on both sides. The fight design is too narrow in its scope but the modern jobs sans PCT are too rigid and their only solution to them not fitting properly into the modern design is fundamentally altering them
    Mao is less sure abouts other jobs being flawed then Mao is about boss-fight design being flawed. Mao said it before and Mao says it agains. Arcade-style DDR fights where participants run around clogs-dancing to the beat of boss-fight mechanics is not what Mao considers fantasy MMO RPG adventures. Mao does NOT want to be frog in a blender. Unfortunatesly for Mao, it IS what SE wants and whatever SE wants, SE gets. It's thems game after all. Is why Mao left and why Mao still nots wish ill on game. Players whats stay to play maybe likes arcade-style game and if so, is good that game is changing to suit thems. It's just not classic fantasy adventures that Mao loves so much.
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    Just Delete Picto Please

    first they begged please nerf picomancer then later they said please delete itand i say it keep it maybe twek it a little but to just remove it lmao this it a statement from a troll not worth the mods time time to clean out all the trolls again the necrobumping is out of control.
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    idk what they gonna do tbh. they are cooked state rn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    You basically agreed with the person you replied to

    I know you are a BLM main mao and the modern fight design just hates what BLM is but loves what PCT is. This reveals flaws on both sides. The fight design is too narrow in its scope but the modern jobs sans PCT are too rigid and their only solution to them not fitting properly into the modern design is fundamentally altering them
    I don't know why I keep seeing this take. EW BLM could handle Endwalker fight just fine, with only one possible exception (TOP P6).

    DT BLM as much as I hate it, has enough more than enough movement to handle the DT fights now that we've gotten Ice Paradox back. Anyone saying otherwise just needs to practice their casting fundamentals.

    The state of BLM has absolutely nothing to do with how overpowered PCT is right now. I really don't get all these complaints about the """fundamental design""" of PCT. Just remove some damage from the class, maybe turn the starry raid buff into a personal buff. Boom, job fixed. SE I'm offering you this advice for free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Realfoxy View Post
    I don't know why I keep seeing this take. EW BLM could handle Endwalker fight just fine, with only one possible exception (TOP P6).

    DT BLM as much as I hate it, has enough more than enough movement to handle the DT fights now that we've gotten Ice Paradox back. Anyone saying otherwise just needs to practice their casting fundamentals.

    The state of BLM has absolutely nothing to do with how overpowered PCT is right now. I really don't get all these complaints about the """fundamental design""" of PCT. Just remove some damage from the class, maybe turn the starry raid buff into a personal buff. Boom, job fixed. SE I'm offering you this advice for free.
    Because EW BLM really isn’t what BLM is either when you look at the history and progression of the job

    If you are using non standard to make close to half your casts instant why do we even have a caster role at this point

    This links into a wider problem with the fact that the only fight design square has made since SB being one that actively hostile to casters and as such they make them cast less as a compensation mechanism. BLM also has the added problem of every mechanic they add to it makes it burstier and burstier

    The sustained turret is dead at this point, since the flare change per 2 minutes PCT spends more time casting than BLM and the least mobile class in the game is SCH
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Because EW BLM really isn’t what BLM is either when you look at the history and progression of the job

    If you are using non standard to make close to half your casts instant why do we even have a caster role at this point

    This links into a wider problem with the fact that the only fight design square has made since SB being one that actively hostile to casters and as such they make them cast less as a compensation mechanism. BLM also has the added problem of every mechanic they add to it makes it burstier and burstier

    The sustained turret is dead at this point, since the flare change per 2 minutes PCT spends more time casting than BLM and the least mobile class in the game is SCH
    I don't disagree with you about fight design, but it's a lot easier to just nerf PCT rather than rewind encounter design to three expansions ago.

    Also you're just kinda wrong about DT BLM. The job isn't any burstier than in EW, because all of its damage is still on the GCD. And since nonstandard is less accessible now, manipulating your GCD alignment is harder, which means that for 99% of BLM players the proper play is to still ignore buffs and just keep on casting.

    I think EW BLM was the best compromise the job had with modern fight design, which for some reason SE decided to completely delete from the game to make a job that IS LESS FLEXIBLE and therefore more susceptible to disruption in the form of extended movement, short uptime phases, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Realfoxy View Post
    I don't disagree with you about fight design, but it's a lot easier to just nerf PCT rather than rewind encounter design to three expansions ago.

    Also you're just kinda wrong about DT BLM. The job isn't any burstier than in EW, because all of its damage is still on the GCD. And since nonstandard is less accessible now, manipulating your GCD alignment is harder, which means that for 99% of BLM players the proper play is to still ignore buffs and just keep on casting.

    I think EW BLM was the best compromise the job had with modern fight design, which for some reason SE decided to completely delete from the game to make a job that IS LESS FLEXIBLE and therefore more susceptible to disruption in the form of extended movement, short uptime phases, etc.
    Burst isn’t necessarily just about the GCD but what you are actually stuffing into the GCD. BLM got 3 changes this expansion that made it burstier

    1) 3rd charge of xeno
    2) second charge of leylines (on a thereotical dummy fight this doesn’t change anything but since you play leylines around the counter this helps immensely
    3) manafont

    BLM is still a god awful burster compared to say…….PCT but it says a lot every change they have gotten since like SB is either a) make them burstier or b) give them more instants
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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