Why are most allied society dailies just running around talking to NPCs?

[Tint]

That I do agree on. There is always two levels of feedback, one is signifying a problem, and the second is offering potential solutions or ideas. The first level is however not something that should be scorned at all. Saying "if you're never happy about something, why don't you come up with solutions?" is a very disingenuous way of dismissing what people have issues with just on the basis that they can't come with a better idea. Would it be better to come with one? Yes, it would solve a lot of problems. But it also doesn't invalidate the base concern that the player identified something they find problematic and do not like, and want it to change. So far, people have identified a lot of underlying elements that they think is detrimental to their enjoyment of that type of content.

I would say the second level can actually be detrimental. We can maybe all agree upon what is wrong, but when we offer solutions then people start to argue why they don't like the ideas on how to fix the problems and it leads to nowhere and derails the topic.

Coming up with a solution is ultimately the problem of the devs, not the playerbase.

[Daralii]

I would say the second level can actually be detrimental. We can maybe all agree upon what is wrong, but when we offer solutions then people start to argue why they don't like the ideas on how to fix the problems and it leads to nowhere and derails the topic.

Coming up with a solution is ultimately the problem of the devs, not the playerbase.

XIV's code, engine, and networking are also such a mess that specifics behind detailed ideas might be impossible. Something like "The combat dailies should actually have combat" is broad enough to be more generally useful.

[AmiableApkallu]

The first level is however not something that should be scorned at all. Saying "if you're never happy about something, why don't you come up with solutions?" is a very disingenuous way of dismissing what people have issues with just on the basis that they can't come with a better idea.

If you have a problem with something and can't articulate, directly or indirectly, what you might want instead, then all you're doing is venting your spleen in an unconstructive fashion.

"This hamburger is trash. Take it back to the kitchen and try again."

"Okay, sir/madam, was there something in particular not to your liking?"

"I said it's trash. Go remake it."

That said, insisting on the level of detail in this comment is overkill. FFXIV is a game, not a piece of software that has specific, hard requirements because someone needs it to do their job.

It's enough comment, Maybe the DoW/DoM tribe quests should involve more combat? Maybe there should be more variations on each quest? Can't we spar with the guides to help train them in combat? Etc.

[dspguy]

Rewarding people for re-running boring and repetitive content is probably the only way the content would still be active for new players/alts. Without these bribes a lot of content would be dead. Even the brand new dungeon if we didn't need tomes because it would be one and done with pointless 705 gear.

And that's exactly why they do it. But to be "ok with that" but "not ok" with daily Allied Society quests is just contradictory. (I'm not saying you are - just the concept)

[Valence]

If you have a problem with something and can't articulate, directly or indirectly, what you might want instead, then all you're doing is venting your spleen in an unconstructive fashion.

"This hamburger is trash. Take it back to the kitchen and try again."

"Okay, sir/madam, was there something in particular not to your liking?"

"I said it's trash. Go remake it."

That said, insisting on the level of detail in this comment is overkill. FFXIV is a game, not a piece of software that has specific, hard requirements because someone needs it to do their job.

It's enough comment, Maybe the DoW/DoM tribe quests should involve more combat? Maybe there should be more variations on each quest? Can't we spar with the guides to help train them in combat? Etc.

Okay let's play that game. Quote me all the posts that have just said it's shit without saying why. I'm sure you can find some, but I'm ready to retaliate with the overwhelming majority that explained why they think it's trash.

[TheGrimace]

I had this issue with the Omicron quests. It said it was the "Omicron" society, but we barely learn anything more about them and it's skewed towards the other races from The Dead Ends.

Valid complaint. I enjoyed the Omicron quests, but I agree- it was more about the other races in the Dead Ends than it was about the Omicrons themselves. For me, they worked because I was engaged with all of the races brought back to life in Ultima Thule. I enjoyed the redemption storyline with the bandits, but so far it is the only left turn in this content, and has been a very small part of the whole.

[Nihility]

Where is the GAMEPLAY?

I'm sure it's been answered a bunch already but it's because they reworked them into a way to level up low level jobs and "go talk to that guy" can be done by a level 1 naked character

[LisseyCrowe]

And that's exactly why they do it. But to be "ok with that" but "not ok" with daily Allied Society quests is just contradictory. (I'm not saying you are - just the concept)

Not exactly. Roulettes need bodies, ideally forever. Bribing players to run them is relatively healthy for the game, though I'm not necessarily sure the way the game handles it right now is the best. Almost any content that requires people to group for needs a carrot on the stick approach, especially with how MMOs are played nowadays (more individual than community focused).

One of these pieces of content bribes players to ensure those who need them will find them. The other bribes you so that ... uhh ... The developers who worked on them are happy? To give an illusion of content being added to the game? Some obscure obligation that some hire up insists on that no one on the development team cares about?

TL: DR, these are not the same, and so there's no contradiction. That is not to say that in an ideal world neither content would be, as you say, "boring and repetitive", but one of these at least has a tangible justification.

[DPZ2]

We're not developers by trade. You're asking a customer that isn't happy with the way a car is designed to do the engineer's work themselves and come up with detailed blueprints..

Computer games are not cars. And developers aren't automobile designers. And a customer unhappy with the way a car is designed (what does that even mean, really?) will not see a revision, ever, if all they say is "I'm unhappy with X" without specifying what should replace X. And, when they finally get to know about Y, it can take them up to five years to bring it to market.

You expect developers to be mind readers. I do not.

[Zakuyia]

I feel like yoshi-p has already answered something along with wanting to give us more lore for tural as seeing as ppl hated that lore being shoved in their face during Yawn Trail.