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    Quote Originally Posted by Volgia View Post
    If you hang out here long enough, you will end up thinking everyone hates the game, but you quoted maybe 20 people vs millions of players who play the game. Most people who play casually are unaware this place even exists.

    These people are claiming they're going to leave, wherever they follow through is another matter.
    From yoshi P’s own “how we recovered from 1.0” the people leaving who actually give enough of a damn about the game to come here and complain is a far worse omen than losing one or two completely silent players
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    From yoshi P’s own “how we recovered from 1.0” the people leaving who actually give enough of a damn about the game to come here and complain is a far worse omen than losing one or two completely silent players
    To be honest this is just a bubble of perpetually being angry at the game and hanging out here too long. I go into the game and ask about people's feelings about the game and they're just a neutral "It's fine". That's the general vibe of people playing DT.

    I came here to voice my disdain for Endwalker and it's game design. About DT's stale story and content structure, and I agree with a lot of the disatisfaction that the forums reflect, but our opinion here barely matters when 90% of the community really doesn't care about the way things are going, they log in, they do their roulettes, dailies and savage weeklies, and log out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volgia View Post
    To be honest this is just a bubble of perpetually being angry at the game and hanging out here too long. I go into the game and ask about people's feelings about the game and they're just a neutral "It's fine". That's the general vibe of people playing DT.

    I came here to voice my disdain for Endwalker and it's game design. About DT's stale story and content structure, and I agree with a lot of the disatisfaction that the forums reflect, but our opinion here barely matters when 90% of the community really doesn't care about the way things are going, they log in, they do their roulettes, dailies and savage weeklies, and log out.
    I mean I was more referring to yoshi p’s own words about how a player who still cares enough to complain is more valuable than one that silently quits but how is your “vibe check” in game any more accurate than social media, if anything your sample size is even smaller
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volgia View Post
    To be honest this is just a bubble of perpetually being angry at the game and hanging out here too long. I go into the game and ask about people's feelings about the game and they're just a neutral "It's fine". That's the general vibe of people playing DT.
    Yeah, no, I'm sorry, but when I look around myself, it's the opposite, apart from one or two hardcore fans, everyone is bored to death. I even have casual players around me wondering if they won't will suspend their sub, but still hesitate because how they are attached to the game. I also have players that liked DT react like this.

    So no, don't generalize on your experience. Especially pulling out some "90% of the commuty does X" out of nowhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CNitsah View Post
    Yeah, no, I'm sorry, but when I look around myself, it's the opposite, apart from one or two hardcore fans, everyone is bored to death. I even have casual players around me wondering if they won't will suspend their sub, but still hesitate because how they are attached to the game. I also have players that liked DT react like this.

    So no, don't generalize on your experience. Especially pulling out some "90% of the commuty does X" out of nowhere.
    Right? It's almost as if anyone making a sweeping statement like that is falling into confirmation bias.

    "The mass exodus from Final Fantasy 14"? Please.
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    don't really care
    i just play when i want to
    also, if only the ones that compete with housing quit, that would be great, theres still hundreds of bids in a single freaking small
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    That one about having no friends left and the game leaving a bad taste in ones mouth sounds like the endgame experience in a nutshell.

    You can't really do PF prog outside of an increasingly narrow window due to people just lying about where they are at and wasting peoples time for days. It got to the point I had to spend an entire weekend and 146 gemdroughts to finally clear m4s, because so many people didn't understand mechanics that the PF description clearly states the group expects people to know.

    To make matters worse, I'm seeing the same behavior happen with rather increasing frequency in the latest extreme, which is incredibly problematic since once person messing up the meteors or ice bridge wipes the group.

    The content was not built to be some big attrition battle against other players ignorance, it was built to be a group challenge against a puzzle. And without alternatives to this end game loop, it just reinforces this exact behavior in all the other content as well.
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    This is what happens when you create troll freindly TOS system!

    Why is the game dying?

    No content? No really; their TONS and TONS of side content. FF14 prioritized minority end game part-time elitist rewards for raiders/ultimate players. Meanwhile the majority of the MMO players grinding get joke rewards. + TOS anti-community pro troll system has silenced the community with highly censorship speech. Trolls going around just talking with no real power do not ruin the game for anyone. Trolls in charge of WHO gets to talk and play because of the TOS and report system DESTROY the community in the game.

    #1. FF14 priorities are minority part-time raid players that come back for raids/ultimate then leave. The raid and ultimate mounts/glams/weapons like heads and heels above better than the causal content.

    #2. FF14 just does not care about their majority long term mmo players who CONSTANTLY play the game for longer term rewards. NOT related to ultimate's or raids.

    #3. The TOS is anti-community system of censorship that let a minority of troll players control who gets to talk and play in the community. Anyone who has been a victim of the TOS troll system knows this. Anyone who has not been a victim of this will "quote" some repeated SE line until they become a victim of troll reporters. Trolls just troll talking do NOT run a MMO community. Trolls CONTROLLING who gets to talk based upon a auto-suspension TOS report system with HIGH censorship of speech RUINS a community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by King_Rhys_Pendraig View Post
    Why is the game dying?

    No content? No really; their TONS and TONS of side content. FF14 prioritized minority end game part-time elitist rewards for raiders/ultimate players. Meanwhile the majority of the MMO players grinding get joke rewards. + TOS anti-community pro troll system has silenced the community with highly censorship speech. Trolls going around just talking with no real power do not ruin the game for anyone. Trolls in charge of WHO gets to talk and play because of the TOS and report system DESTROY the community in the game.

    #1. FF14 priorities are minority part-time raid players that come back for raids/ultimate then leave. The raid and ultimate mounts/glams/weapons like heads and heels above better than the causal content.

    #2. FF14 just does not care about their majority long term mmo players who CONSTANTLY play the game for longer term rewards. NOT related to ultimate's or raids.

    #3. The TOS is anti-community system of censorship that let a minority of troll players control who gets to talk and play in the community. Anyone who has been a victim of the TOS troll system knows this. Anyone who has not been a victim of this will "quote" some repeated SE line until they become a victim of troll reporters. Trolls just troll talking do NOT run a MMO community. Trolls CONTROLLING who gets to talk based upon a auto-suspension TOS report system with HIGH censorship of speech RUINS a community.
    Please consider taking your meds. Everything you just said is a delusion.
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