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    What I still don't get - why are there no diminishing returns to Crowd Control when this patch added so much CC?
    Purify is as finicky as it was before the patch, with a shorter duration,too
    to me, it feels like you can just get CC't and burst down much easier than before. Or is that me perceiving the situation wrong? :think:
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    Last edited by ovIm; 11-18-2024 at 04:34 AM.
    RIP Viper 28/06/2024 - 30/07/2024. It was a fun month.

  2. #42
    Player Mawlzy's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovIm View Post
    What I still don't get - why are there no diminishing returns to Crowd Control when this patch added so much CC?
    Purify is as finicky as it was before the patch, with a shorter duration,too
    to me, it feels like you can just get CC't and burst down much easier than before. Or is that me perceiving the situation wrong? :think:
    If you're playing melee/tank and a few people on the enemy team are remotely competent, you're going to get mired in more CC than before the changes.
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    Rui Aii
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    Summoner Lv 80
    they latterly killed RDM what is this?
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    Disco Nnect
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovIm View Post
    What I still don't get - why are there no diminishing returns to Crowd Control when this patch added so much CC?
    Purify is as finicky as it was before the patch, with a shorter duration,too
    to me, it feels like you can just get CC't and burst down much easier than before. Or is that me perceiving the situation wrong? :think:
    I don't even think the devs that designed the current iteration even play this game
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  5. #45
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    Suri Obinata
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    Cuchulainn
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    White Mage Lv 84
    Mountain buster is fing useless now, if they insist on making ranged use melee distance attacks then they'd better give them melee DR to go with it
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  6. #46
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    Siegfried Reinfold
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    Marauder Lv 100
    They need to have whoever originally designed the pvp jobs come back. They obviously were not involved this time around considering how soulless everything is now
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  7. #47
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    Sunie Dakwhil
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovIm View Post
    What I still don't get - why are there no diminishing returns to Crowd Control when this patch added so much CC?
    Purify is as finicky as it was before the patch, with a shorter duration,too
    to me, it feels like you can just get CC't and burst down much easier than before. Or is that me perceiving the situation wrong? :think:
    Because that would be abusable and would not work (and would frankly punish the use of CC outside of any serious burst).

    They should have instead kept the amount of CC like it used to be, and keep Purify on 5s instead of that ridiculous 3s.
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  8. #48
    Player Mawlzy's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    Because that would be abusable and would not work (and would frankly punish the use of CC outside of any serious burst).

    They should have instead kept the amount of CC like it used to be, and keep Purify on 5s instead of that ridiculous 3s.
    Yeah, having played a lot more matches now, Purify dropping from 5s to 3s in a heavier CC environment is basically giving the middle finger to jobs that play at melee range. Plus just on general grounds, anything that lasts for 3s in a mode delayed by animation lock and netcode is bound to be unreliable at best.

    Related to this, there are far fewer tanks on the field, so those that are get focused down more. Trying to get off Onsal Mid yesterday as heavy after heavy got dropped on me was not fun.

    Something else I noticed was WAR's health gain via damage under bloodwhetting is far less reliable. My favorite disruptive play on Mid was rending the top of an enemy ramp, then using chaotic cyclone to heal as I escaped. Guess it could be the notorious skill issue, but I can't get my synonym-for-a-donkey out of there anymore.
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  9. #49
    Player Mawlzy's Avatar
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    Just played a match that felt characteristic and the following numbers jumped out.

    Of the top 10 assists, all were ranged, 7 of them "healers." Not really surprising, I guess, but...
    25/26 top kills were ranged.
    30/31 top damage were ranged.


    the last two would have been all ranged were it not for the same SAM.

    Perfectly balanced mode.
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  10. #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    Because that would be abusable and would not work (and would frankly punish the use of CC outside of any serious burst).

    They should have instead kept the amount of CC like it used to be, and keep Purify on 5s instead of that ridiculous 3s.
    Eh, I think that kinda depends on how strong the diminishing returns are, and how long you have to wait until you are back to being fully CC-able. But I do understand your point there.

    And yeah, a longer purify would have been preferred, definitely.
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    RIP Viper 28/06/2024 - 30/07/2024. It was a fun month.

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