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  1. #11
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    Schan Starfall
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    I would like to have Nastrond back please.

    I don't have much in the way to offer on what to remove though.

    Mirage Dive doesn't have a place anymore since the scales were removed.

    I can see why Life Surge would be a candidate and I would argue you could built it into Drakesbane, however Life Surge does let you have a limited degree of choice in the kit. Some players enjoy having the choice of when to you use the big, fat, life-stealing crit.

    In conclusion, i don't know. All I know is that reducing Nastronds isn't it. Or at least do it nearer to 8.0 so I can cope with "it's prep for new expansion skills".
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  2. #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schan View Post
    I would like to have Nastrond back please.

    I don't have much in the way to offer on what to remove though.

    Mirage Dive doesn't have a place anymore since the scales were removed.

    I can see why Life Surge would be a candidate and I would argue you could built it into Drakesbane, however Life Surge does let you have a limited degree of choice in the kit. Some players enjoy having the choice of when to you use the big, fat, life-stealing crit.

    In conclusion, i don't know. All I know is that reducing Nastronds isn't it. Or at least do it nearer to 8.0 so I can cope with "it's prep for new expansion skills".
    So mirage dive didn't have a place in dragoon until endwalker with the addition of scales?
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  3. #13
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    Quote Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa View Post
    So mirage dive didn't have a place in dragoon until endwalker with the addition of scales?
    Wait, so you don't even know how Mirage Dive worked pre-DT, and yet you're claiming in the other thread that you quit because you didn't like what DRG had become? Or are you just being annoying about the particular term that he used, planning to jump in with a "erm, akshually, it was the eye part of the gauge that got removed."
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  4. 11-14-2024 05:44 AM
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavenlyArmed View Post
    Wait, so you don't even know how Mirage Dive worked pre-DT, and yet you're claiming in the other thread that you quit because you didn't like what DRG had become? Or are you just being annoying about the particular term that he used, planning to jump in with a "erm, akshually, it was the eye part of the gauge that got removed."
    Ignore Hikari, they're either a troll or genuinely argue for no reason about things they do not understand.
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    Give me more Keeper of the Moon rep!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikoto View Post
    DRG needs 1 thing and it's less feedback from people like you who dislike its core job identity, which is an abundance of oGCD. Plenty of other melee jobs you can go and play.
    Unfortunately those are the people SE is listening to when changing the jobs. Why they choose to cater to people who hate the job over those who loved it the way it was, I will never understand.
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  7. #16
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    Honestly, Square needs to undo everything they did to DRG since 7.0 (with exception of 3 Nastrond charges, those are fine). Job just isn't as fun as it was without Dragon Gauge, Nastronds, and yes, movement management during burst phases (like in P10S and P12S, for example) while figuring out correct order to use all your jumps.
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    These changes are so out of touch I saw someone post it on social media and thought they were a joke at first. It feels like they asked an AI how to make the adjustments. Genuinely, what were they thinking?
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  9. #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeavenlyArmed View Post
    Wait, so you don't even know how Mirage Dive worked pre-DT, and yet you're claiming in the other thread that you quit because you didn't like what DRG had become? Or are you just being annoying about the particular term that he used, planning to jump in with a "erm, akshually, it was the eye part of the gauge that got removed."
    I forgot because they used the wrong term lol, been a while since I played.

    Either way, mirage dive is a cooldown damage button, what's wrong with that? Does shinten not have a purpose on sam? Does bhavacakra not have a purpose on nin? Now that I remember what it was actually like, I can't believe people defended the eye system. It was so annoyingly bad to play dragoon in all content because of how LotD worked with eyes.

    I'd love for this minority to make a game for themselves with all these contrived annoying battle mechanics. Instead you just act miserable while the majority get what they want in this game. You know you can always collaborate together with all the other unhappy players and make your own failed venture right? Make a discord group and get organized. I'm sure there are like 100 of you and you could make something happen maybe. I don't believe it would be successful, but surely it's better than playing a game you're so unhappy with.
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  10. #19
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    Quote Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa View Post
    It was so annoyingly bad to play dragoon in all content because of how LotD worked with eyes.
    How so? Please elaborate and explain what was wrong with it.
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  11. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by VerySadDRG View Post
    How so? Please elaborate and explain what was wrong with it.
    Burst window at start of fight felt extremely weak compared to other jobs, and you didn't get to go into LotD every single trash pull. The timing was awkward and unsatisfying because of the delay. It was very unintuitive to line up your burst window as a result. There was a "correct" way of lining everything up, but it was not natural and felt like poor design. People get used to things like that and grow attached to it because they spent time figuring out how to make it work, but the reality is it should just work naturally. It works naturally now and the start of fight burst is full power.

    You're free to enjoy how it used to be, but it's important to recognize that you're a minority and either need to accept how it is now, or move on and make your own game/play another game. Or you can just cope with being miserable. This is capitalism though. The majority rule.
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