Dawntrail character graphics update - opinions, requests and discussion megathread

[HawkeScream]

I'm like 90% sure I can make a comparison tester, I'll report back

Y'allllllllllllllllll I'm sniffing that hopium real hard right now in a good way.

With some playing around I've got settings narrowed down a bit in case anyone else wants to play around in character creator.

Face - 1
Skin Color - (3,1) RGB: 227, 196, 166 (or close)
Hair - 6
Hair Color - (8,9) RGB: 78, 43, 15 (or close)
Jaw - 1 (default)
Eye Shape - 2 (hard time here, possbly 1 but 2 looked more right to me)
Iris Size - Large (default)
Eye Color - (6,5) RGB: 144, 118, 68 (default)
Eyebrows - 1 (default)
Nose - 2 (pretty sure but not positive)
Mouth - Either 1 or 3
Lip Color - Light, (5,6) RGB: 139, 55, 46 (default)
Facial Features - None
No tattoos, no face paint

Some notes based on tinkering! Please take with a grain of salt due to lighting differences and possibility I'm wrong on settings.

- None of the eyebrows with thick or thin setting looked correct (too thick or too light, wrong arch). It definitely looks like darker/fuller default eyebrows like noumen0nn said. I'm almost positive those are eyebrows 1, with the arch also improved. It appears to be a smidge higher than current DT settings, which is more accurate to how they looked in Endwalker.
- Eyebags definitely appear gone to me as well.
- I THINK THEY FIXED THE PUPIL SIZE. I used large in my testers and they are still appear smaller in current settings.
- It's either lips 1 or 3 for sure, either way the cupid's bow is improved.
- Jawline is definitely thinner. Jaw 1 is the narrowest option and it still doesn't look like that. So it appears that the rounded off/babyface shape has also been fixed a bit.

Mouth 1



Mouth 3

[noumen0nn]

Y'allllllllllllllllll I'm sniffing that hopium real hard right now in a good way.

With some playing around I've got settings narrowed down a bit in case anyone else wants to play around in character creator.

Face - 1
Skin Color - (3,1) RGB: 227, 196, 166 (or close)
Hair - 6
Hair Color - (8,9) RGB: 78, 43, 15 (or close)
Jaw - 1 (default)
Eye Shape - 2 (hard time here, possbly 1 but 2 looked more right to me)
Iris Size - Large (default)
Eye Color - (6,5) RGB: 144, 118, 68 (default)
Eyebrows - 1 (default)
Nose - 2 (pretty sure but not positive)
Mouth - Either 1 or 3
Lip Color - Light, (5,6) RGB: 139, 55, 46 (default)
Facial Features - None
No tattoos, no face paint

Some notes based on tinkering! Please take with a grain of salt due to lighting differences and possibility I'm wrong on settings.

- None of the eyebrows with thick or thin setting looked correct (too thick or too light, wrong arch). It definitely looks like darker/fuller default eyebrows like noumen0nn said. I'm almost positive those are eyebrows 1, with the arch also improved. It appears to be a smidge higher than current DT settings, which is more accurate to how they looked in Endwalker.
- Eyebags definitely appear gone to me as well.
- I THINK THEY FIXED THE PUPIL SIZE. I used large in my testers and they are still appear smaller in current settings.
- It's either lips 1 or 3 for sure, either way the cupid's bow is improved.
- Jawline is definitely thinner. Jaw 1 is the narrowest option and it still doesn't look like that. So it appears that the rounded off/babyface shape has also been fixed a bit.

This comparison does help quite a bit. I agree that the cupid's bow looks much better, but the actual philtrum seems... about the same? It's really hard to tell, but I hope they restore the slight widening toward the lips that the original face 1 had.

I'm also glad I was wrong about the eyeliner being there! I hope that means it'll be back to its old self.

[HawkeScream]

This comparison does help quite a bit. I agree that the cupid's bow looks much better, but the actual philtrum seems... about the same? It's really hard to tell, but I hope they restore the slight widening toward the lips that the original face 1 had.

I'm also glad I was wrong about the eyeliner being there! I hope that means it'll be back to its old self.

Same, I can't tell about the philtrum at all because their pic is very flat there due to the face being shadow. Here's hoping that also adjusted, cuz I saw it mentioned *a lot*.

[Iscah]

The immediate thing that I notice on the comparison is that they haven't fixed the unnatural inward puckering of the upper lip.

Also I feel like the glass on the glasses looks too clear now, as if she's wearing empty frames.

[Luluna]

I think she looks like she has a mad stare still....the one thing I am bothered by and only noticed last night was that some hairstyles look like they are lifting off my characters head. I cannot post a pic but it was on the Lyse hairstyle and a few more it looks like it is not attatached to their head and there is a gap it looks so bad at the back near the neck >.<

[DynnDiablos]

I feel tomorrow - it's going to be three camps. Those happy with the new adjustments. Those who liked their new characters that now have to fantasia again because of the changes and are pissed. Folks who are still unhappy with everything. I do feel this is not something that continue forever. Eventually, Yoshi P and team are going to have to draw a line in the sand otherwise this turns into a new fantasia every patch.

I think folks on all sides need to prepare there is no "make everyone happy" solution. In the end, some folks will always not be satisfied.

[Doopliss]

Such a point of view might hold more weight if you didn’t spend so much time antagonizing everybody who loved their characters and were pissed about the changes during the first benchmark release. Nobody thinks this is going to go on forever, but they confirmed changes are happening until at least 7.2. Your female Hrothgar didn’t exist before the GU, they’re not going to change her at all, lol.

[Larirawiel]

I think folks on all sides need to prepare there is no "make everyone happy" solution. In the end, some folks will always not be satisfied.

They should fix the bugs first, they have introduced. Seriously, how can they overlook glitches like this:
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...e-Elezen-faces

It is literaly in the character creation screen. It seems, that they did not even look at that stuff, they have created.

More interesting is, that they have moved my threads into the "Insufficient Information" forums although other threads with less informations have been accepted.

So yes, i guess, some people will be unhappy with the changes.



Cheers

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

At some point SE would need to realize the only way to satisfy both side is to expand their character creator system to include both old and newer options, something that they could've probably done by now if only they reinvest proper amount of profits they've amassed over the years back to the game rather than diverting them for their plethora of flipflopping games. Call it a blind guessing if you will; to me it's hard to not think of that when QC has been missing not only here but many other parts of the game as well.

I have no more race to this matter since weeks before they launched 7.0 as I've taken the matters into my own hand. I am bitter over that, but if they won't do it, then somebody has to. I sincerely hope there are more happies than saddies in the upcoming change in less than 24hr from now. Keep fighting.

[Khryseis_Astra]

The immediate thing that I notice on the comparison is that they haven't fixed the unnatural inward puckering of the upper lip.

Also I feel like the glass on the glasses looks too clear now, as if she's wearing empty frames.

And for me that was absolutely the biggest problem across all my characters… *sigh* guess we’ll see tomorrow. They still haven’t gone into specifics as to what exactly they changed, and have also said not all changes will be ready for 7.1, so I guess keep the new free Fantasia on ice for awhile? lol

From the Live Letter digest just released today:

Thank you all for your feedback regarding the graphical update. We are currently working on minute adjustments, such as the groove below the nose and details around the eyes. Some tweaks won’t be ready for 7.1, but we will continue with our detailed data analysis to address what we can, so we hope you’ll take another look after the patch is released.