Dawntrail character graphics update - opinions, requests and discussion megathread

[HawkeScream]

The closest look we really got from these tiny images is this picture of a Midlander from the part about eyeglasses opacity.



It's hard to glean much without knowing which numbered face options this model is using, but there's... some reason to hope. Here's the good things I notice:

-Eyebrows are a lot fuller and more tapered again. I can't tell if this model has the facial feature enabled that makes them thicker or not.
-I think?? The eyeliner has been adjusted? It looks every so slightly more "winged" again, although it's still missing the little bit of dark line under the lower-outer part of the eyelid.
-No visible eyebags. Thank god.
-For the lips, it's sort of hard to tell. The "dip" in the lip-line at the very center looks more accentuated, which is good. The awful "pouty" lipstick is nowhere to be found, but I can't actually tell if this model is wearing lipstick or not. If not, we don't know if there's been improvement, If yes, then that's probably fixed.
-The philtrum looks much shallower like it used to be. It's difficult to tell at this angle whether it has been widened back to its previous proportions too.

And the bad:

-Ugly tear tracks are still there, just visible behind the glasses
-Nose still looks suspect. Though it's possible this model is just using one of the larger nose options; my character uses the smallest one after all
-The shadow under the upper eyelid is still gone, which is arguably the most critical and transformative aspect of the face. Midlanders will not look correct until it is restored

I'm like 90% sure I can make a comparison tester, I'll report back

[lunartears]

All I see on this thread since the preliminary patch notes came out are people discussing graphic updates to NPCs and the world.

Does anyone know if 7.1 is going to address any of the graphic issues for playable characters, or is it just NPCs and the world that are getting updates? If players are getting updates, why is there nothing listed in the patch notes?

2.x 5.x

The graphical adjustments made to player character models are based on feedback received from the player community.

This is the only mention of it, and they originally mentioned in the response post that they were going to be making some changes from 7.1 to 7.2. There's no definitive list of what has been modified (at least in the preliminary but I don't expect one) but you can reference what was mentioned in Yoshi-P's response for an idea of what they have looked at. It's ultimately a matter of waiting for the patch to release since there aren't any photos.

[Visthra]

This is the only mention of it, and they originally mentioned in the response post that they were going to be making some changes from 7.1 to 7.2. There's no definitive list of what has been modified (at least in the preliminary but I don't expect one) but you can reference what was mentioned in Yoshi-P's response for an idea of what they have looked at. It's ultimately a matter of waiting for the patch to release since there aren't any photos.

I appreciate your response. I really don’t keep up with FFXIV news so I was thoroughly confused.

Hoping the best for everyone with graphics issues!

[HawkeScream]

I'm like 90% sure I can make a comparison tester, I'll report back

Y'allllllllllllllllll I'm sniffing that hopium real hard right now in a good way.

With some playing around I've got settings narrowed down a bit in case anyone else wants to play around in character creator.

Face - 1
Skin Color - (3,1) RGB: 227, 196, 166 (or close)
Hair - 6
Hair Color - (8,9) RGB: 78, 43, 15 (or close)
Jaw - 1 (default)
Eye Shape - 2 (hard time here, possbly 1 but 2 looked more right to me)
Iris Size - Large (default)
Eye Color - (6,5) RGB: 144, 118, 68 (default)
Eyebrows - 1 (default)
Nose - 2 (pretty sure but not positive)
Mouth - Either 1 or 3
Lip Color - Light, (5,6) RGB: 139, 55, 46 (default)
Facial Features - None
No tattoos, no face paint

Some notes based on tinkering! Please take with a grain of salt due to lighting differences and possibility I'm wrong on settings.

- None of the eyebrows with thick or thin setting looked correct (too thick or too light, wrong arch). It definitely looks like darker/fuller default eyebrows like noumen0nn said. I'm almost positive those are eyebrows 1, with the arch also improved. It appears to be a smidge higher than current DT settings, which is more accurate to how they looked in Endwalker.
- Eyebags definitely appear gone to me as well.
- I THINK THEY FIXED THE PUPIL SIZE. I used large in my testers and they are still appear smaller in current settings.
- It's either lips 1 or 3 for sure, either way the cupid's bow is improved.
- Jawline is definitely thinner. Jaw 1 is the narrowest option and it still doesn't look like that. So it appears that the rounded off/babyface shape has also been fixed a bit.

Mouth 1



Mouth 3

[noumen0nn]

Y'allllllllllllllllll I'm sniffing that hopium real hard right now in a good way.

With some playing around I've got settings narrowed down a bit in case anyone else wants to play around in character creator.

Face - 1
Skin Color - (3,1) RGB: 227, 196, 166 (or close)
Hair - 6
Hair Color - (8,9) RGB: 78, 43, 15 (or close)
Jaw - 1 (default)
Eye Shape - 2 (hard time here, possbly 1 but 2 looked more right to me)
Iris Size - Large (default)
Eye Color - (6,5) RGB: 144, 118, 68 (default)
Eyebrows - 1 (default)
Nose - 2 (pretty sure but not positive)
Mouth - Either 1 or 3
Lip Color - Light, (5,6) RGB: 139, 55, 46 (default)
Facial Features - None
No tattoos, no face paint

Some notes based on tinkering! Please take with a grain of salt due to lighting differences and possibility I'm wrong on settings.

- None of the eyebrows with thick or thin setting looked correct (too thick or too light, wrong arch). It definitely looks like darker/fuller default eyebrows like noumen0nn said. I'm almost positive those are eyebrows 1, with the arch also improved. It appears to be a smidge higher than current DT settings, which is more accurate to how they looked in Endwalker.
- Eyebags definitely appear gone to me as well.
- I THINK THEY FIXED THE PUPIL SIZE. I used large in my testers and they are still appear smaller in current settings.
- It's either lips 1 or 3 for sure, either way the cupid's bow is improved.
- Jawline is definitely thinner. Jaw 1 is the narrowest option and it still doesn't look like that. So it appears that the rounded off/babyface shape has also been fixed a bit.

This comparison does help quite a bit. I agree that the cupid's bow looks much better, but the actual philtrum seems... about the same? It's really hard to tell, but I hope they restore the slight widening toward the lips that the original face 1 had.

I'm also glad I was wrong about the eyeliner being there! I hope that means it'll be back to its old self.

[HawkeScream]

This comparison does help quite a bit. I agree that the cupid's bow looks much better, but the actual philtrum seems... about the same? It's really hard to tell, but I hope they restore the slight widening toward the lips that the original face 1 had.

I'm also glad I was wrong about the eyeliner being there! I hope that means it'll be back to its old self.

Same, I can't tell about the philtrum at all because their pic is very flat there due to the face being shadow. Here's hoping that also adjusted, cuz I saw it mentioned *a lot*.

[Iscah]

The immediate thing that I notice on the comparison is that they haven't fixed the unnatural inward puckering of the upper lip.

Also I feel like the glass on the glasses looks too clear now, as if she's wearing empty frames.

[Luluna]

I think she looks like she has a mad stare still....the one thing I am bothered by and only noticed last night was that some hairstyles look like they are lifting off my characters head. I cannot post a pic but it was on the Lyse hairstyle and a few more it looks like it is not attatached to their head and there is a gap it looks so bad at the back near the neck >.<

[DynnDiablos]

I feel tomorrow - it's going to be three camps. Those happy with the new adjustments. Those who liked their new characters that now have to fantasia again because of the changes and are pissed. Folks who are still unhappy with everything. I do feel this is not something that continue forever. Eventually, Yoshi P and team are going to have to draw a line in the sand otherwise this turns into a new fantasia every patch.

I think folks on all sides need to prepare there is no "make everyone happy" solution. In the end, some folks will always not be satisfied.

[Doopliss]

Such a point of view might hold more weight if you didn’t spend so much time antagonizing everybody who loved their characters and were pissed about the changes during the first benchmark release. Nobody thinks this is going to go on forever, but they confirmed changes are happening until at least 7.2. Your female Hrothgar didn’t exist before the GU, they’re not going to change her at all, lol.