Dark Knight Changes - Suggestion.

[Supersnow845]

Again with this entire facade about how I'm somehow asserting authority over you. The projection you are making is so unhinged I'm surprised anyone likes your comments. And I can totally argue both at the same time because both being considered balanced cannot be true. Only one of those can be considered balanced and because of how opposite they are of each other, and because of the direction the devs have taken everything with making dungeons designed to be a pushover to begin with, that means warrior has to be the balanced design and dark knight is no where close to being balanced defensively. You being unable to see the entire picture is not everyone else's problem, and projecting your insecurities about it as if you are being talked down to just makes your arguments even less valid. Nobody is talking down to you. But at the same time, no sane person would take you seriously when you keep that silly forum signature about how healers are no longer relevant because dungeons are designed to be a pushover. To which I ask, why haven't you already moved on to a different game that would satisfy your healer god complex? And that's a genuine question.

Honestly, dark knight is suffering so bad defensively that it's a running joke that playing the job in UCOB and UWU is considered griefing, and it's been that way for a long time. But yeah, I guess that's not enough to convince those that live in lala land.

You aren’t “asserting authority” you are attempting to claim a silent majority or otherwise universally held belief as your foundation. “Oh everyone agrees with this” “everyone says this”. These are meaningless considering you are arguing your own personal opinion. If WAR is balanced then the other 3 are all extremely underpowered, just as if DRK is balanced then all 3 others are extremely overpowered. It’s more likely that somewhere between PLD and GNB is the balance point which proves neither WAR being overpowered nor DRK being underpowered

So again I’ll say I don’t want your changes, that opinion holds as much weight as your assertions. Wanting the healer to be an active part of content they are required to do is not having a healer god complex and it’s pretty rich saying I have a healer god complex when your entire argument is built on the sole foundation that you don’t want to rely on anyone but yourself as ANY tank let alone there is already two that fulfil that overpowered fantasy

I could just as easily ask you why you haven’t moved to an MMO (or a class considering WAR literally already exists) where tanks are all three roles in one

[AnjouMaaka]

You aren’t “asserting authority” you are attempting to claim a silent majority or otherwise universally held belief as your foundation. “Oh everyone agrees with this” “everyone says this”. These are meaningless considering you are arguing your own personal opinion. If WAR is balanced then the other 3 are all extremely underpowered, just as if DRK is balanced then all 3 others are extremely overpowered. It’s more likely that somewhere between PLD and GNB is the balance point which proves neither WAR being overpowered nor DRK being underpowered

First, you are quite wrong about claiming a silent majority. There's a loud majority out there on at least getting the Addle treatment for Dark Mind and I stand behind this suggestion because I was not the first to bring it up. Even you should agree this is not a bad suggestion, but that would require you to play dark knight in m3s, which I know you won't do, and you'll instead come back with another quick response without doing your research. You picked the wrong raid tier to defend the current design of dark knight defensives.

I don't want all 3 roles in one, because we already have that, and I got bored of it in Endwalker, but I don't want dark knight lacking defensively anymore. And if the balance is somewhere between paladin and gunbreaker, then dark knight still falls excessively short of that defensively and is not balanced. Try bringing your opinion into reality. Dark knight receiving a defensive buff is far from some kind of guarantee that it will suddenly be as strong as warrior. It won't matter how many times you state your very selfish opinion about not wanting what many want for dark knight, which btw, is not "everyone", you are not changing anyone's opinion on this, and only furthering the resolve to continue pushing for things that have been getting requested in ever more frequent numbers as the glaring issues with dark knight continue to be ignored. The paranoia about losing healer relevance in dungeons is unwarranted. You are too afraid of change here, and that much is obvious by the fact you have zero suggestions to resolve the issues that exist with dark knight defensives. What you want is not healthy for the game moving forward. Dark knight needs change whether you agree with that or not. You are vastly outnumbered by the number of players that want dark knight defensives to be addressed. You are preaching to the wind.

Eventually, the needs of the many will outweigh the needs of the few and dark knight won't get ignored anymore. Whether that happens before or after Square Enix loses thousands of subscriptions to ignoring dark knight suggestions is anyone's guess.

[Shurrikhan]

First, you are quite wrong about claiming a silent majority. There's a loud majority out there on at least getting the Addle treatment for Dark Mind and I stand behind this suggestion because I was not the first to bring it up. .

Literally no one argued against this. You are again chucking red herrings like they'd otherwise detonate in your pants.

You argued that since Warrior has its current level of defensive power, it must be considered "balanced" and all other tanks should therefore be raised to its level of defensive power. This ignores that the defensively weakest tank also exists with its given comparatively weak level of defensive power, which would equally indicate that its defensive power instead is then the intended balance-point.

If mere existence serves as proof enough of design intent, either extreme is as likely the intended balance point as the other. It therefore wholly remains up for debate what amount of defensive power should be given to tanks.

You have argued that all non-WAR tanks should be further buffed, such as by giving every tank WAR's Raw Intuition atop whatever individual buffs the weakest non-WAR may need for parity.

Supersnow has argued that, instead, Warrior should be nerfed and the weakest buffed only as needed to bring all tanks to a level between that of GNB's and PLD's current defensive power.

If anything, that second camp has been the more commonly held across these forums, while the "silent majority" is, by definition, silent and therefore irrelevant.

Both result in the same tank balance, but one of them takes more work, further homogenizes tanks, and further disrupts inter-role balance in favor of what is already the most powerful role. And that's not the position Supersnow has favored here.

[AnjouMaaka]

I could sit here and put out example after example where even paladin and gunbreaker should have Raw Intuition and example after example where Raw Intuition would have completely saved the run if it was a role ability acquired at level 15 along with the first tank AoE on all tanks. But so many will come out in defense of anti-homogenization in a game that continues to homogenize making them the ones are unwilling to accept the direction Square Enix is taking the game. These people are the loud minority.

The silent majority you speak of will watch and chat with Xenos but not frequent these forums. If they did frequent the forums and put out their opinions on the matter, I would at that time be able to win a bet on a vast majority of them having a major alignment in dark knight needing the most work. But so many who frequent the forums have labeled Xenos a threat to the game and the game's balance and would not so much as be bothered to go look at how many video comments there are on his dark knight rants that agree with him.

I have said countless times that Raw Intuition becoming a tank role ability is just what I would do. There would be no need to add anything outside of that to the other tanks. But I have also mentioned multiple times how that would not be healthy for the game moving forward thanks to the anti-homogenization crowd. You think you got me on this but you have only done the opposite.

Thinking dark knight is balanced is wishful thinking. Dungeons are designed to be a pushover. That is the primary factor in this, and that is why dark knight is the one that is not balanced.

Again, these are the common suggestions:
- Addle treatment for Dark Mind
- Dark Missionary unlocked at same level as Heart of Light
- Regen for Oblation
- Abyssal Drain untied from Carve and Spit

Unhealthy for the game:
- Dark knight defensives continuing to be ignored
- Raw Intuition becoming a tank role ability

Thinking mere existence is proof of design intent is a very narrow-minded way of looking at it. You gotta look at more than just the jobs. Look at the content and what the design intent for that is supposed to be. By process of elimination, dark knight becomes the odd one out, the ugly duck, the black sheep. Even the healer main turned picto main is able to admit that dark knight is not the balanced design by saying he thinks the balance is somewhere between paladin and gunbreaker, and like I said, if that's the case, then dark knight still falls excessively short of that mark.

[Shurrikhan]

Thinking dark knight is balanced is wishful thinking. Dungeons are designed to be a pushover.

Again, no one said Dark Knight's defensive power is balanced against that of other tanks, let alone in dungeons.

There is a difference between in-role balance and between-role balance.

Thinking mere existence is proof of design intent is a very narrow-minded way of looking at it.

It was your take:

Because warrior is the strongest tank defensively, and if that is considered balanced by the devs, then there is no valid reason for dark knight to continue lacking self sustain at all levels of play.

Unhealthy for the game:
- Raw Intuition becoming a tank role ability

Also from your post, by name and by insistence that all should be scaled up to Warrior-even-in-dungeons, given that so much of Warrior's excess strength there comes from the healing-per-enemy-hit of Raw Intuition.

[AnjouMaaka]

Again, no one said Dark Knight's defensive power is balanced against that of other tanks, let alone in dungeons.

There is a difference between in-role balance and between-role balance.


It was your take:

Also from your post, by name and by insistence that all should be scaled up to Warrior-even-in-dungeons, given that so much of Warrior's excess strength there comes from the healing-per-enemy-hit of Raw Intuition.

That if statement and saying "mere existence is proof of design intent" are not the same things. And it's not a take, it's a factually based statement. The things I left out should be automatically assumed to be implied, such as the fact that dungeons are designed to be a pushover, which further emphasizes that warrior is the intended balance, not the other way around. I don't take existence as mere proof of design intent. I have watched as dark knight gets continually ignored. Experience trumps opinion here. The Living Dead change gave us hope in 6.2. Square Enix needs to stop hanging our hope on a cliffhanger.