The horizontal gear progression of the Chaotic Alliance raid is near useless.

[Valence]

I think the issue is that some people think it's useless because the only thing they care about is gear and power progression.

People who see mounts or glamour as a form of progression don't find the timing such an issue.

Yes but we still do care about gearing alternatives. The only other time in XIV history that did this was proto ultima in Dun Scaith, offering alternative accessories on tomestone level for casual players that only had tomestone gear to eat. Similarly to chaotic Crystal Tower here, it came too late and too close to Stormblood release (it didn't even come with 3.5 Dun Scaith, it came out with 3.55 Dun Scaith when proto ultima replaced the much better and funnier gate boss that was there before it).

Gearing alternatives are direly needed for casuals, and glam isn't mutually exclusive to it, which makes it a problem in execution.

[Fatch38]

People who see mounts or glamour as a form of progression don't find the timing such an issue.

maybe because they aren't progression ? they are only collectible so only for collection. you are in a MMORPG, progression is tied to character getting more powerful. don't try to make ppl think that fluff like glam is progression. having your maid glam won't make you clear the content.

[Kuroka]

Yes but we still do care about gearing alternatives. The only other time in XIV history that did this was proto ultima in Dun Scaith, offering alternative accessories on tomestone level for casual players that only had tomestone gear to eat. Similarly to chaotic Crystal Tower here, it came too late and too close to Stormblood release (it didn't even come with 3.5 Dun Scaith, it came out with 3.55 Dun Scaith when proto ultima replaced the much better and funnier gate boss that was there before it).

And it sucks we never got that again... it was sweet glamour, it had some good stats... no one was hurt lol

Ive said it before, the very least would be giving the gear 735 with better stats, cause some of the tome and crafted stuff is flat out an insult...

[Duskane]

i always wished we got a proto ultima like quest for all final alliance raids it was honestly a really good idea.

[Jeeqbit]

maybe because they aren't progression ? they are only collectible so only for collection. you are in a MMORPG, progression is tied to character getting more powerful. don't try to make ppl think that fluff like glam is progression. having your maid glam won't make you clear the content.

That's your opinion though.

As I said, some people collect mounts, thus mounts are progression to them.

Some people progress their character by decorating themselves with glam sets.

Just different perspectives on "progression" for each player.

[SacraAnima]

That's your opinion though.

As I said, some people collect mounts, thus mounts are progression to them.

Some people progress their character by decorating themselves with glam sets.

Just different perspectives on "progression" for each player.

This is a strange point to argue here, friend. This thread was made to discuss how gear progression is implemented. I'm not personally interested in the philosophical observations of what "progression" means to different people. Gear progression is a core pillar of MMORPGs, and is an incredibly important point of friction for long time players of XIV.

Also, needless to say, if your sense of progression is tied to getting glams and mounts, then you're eating every single patch and your sense of progression is guaranteed and well supported. Rather than attempting to diminish other avenues of progression, you could advocate for healthy progression in general, of which gear is struggling.

[Valence]

i always wished we got a proto ultima like quest for all final alliance raids it was honestly a really good idea.

Yes, and imo it should come earlier, probably with every alliance raid release. Odd patches are way after major savage tiers. It's fine. People can already augment their tome gear at that point (except the weapon).

[Asari5]

i mean... unless you do ultimate savage gear is also pretty useless, and yet people are totally crazy to get it for those few saved seconds in casual content xD.

but seriously. feedback to make things better should always be expressed and welcomed. as long as it doesnt make things worse for people who have nothing to do with it there is no need to oppose it

[Absurdity]

For sure, looking forward to that as a healer as well. It's just a shame that apart from a slight optimization in stats in content that we've already cleared, there's not any solid use for the gear.

This is why the release schedule bothers me. Yes, horizontal gear progression and more options are nice, we've been asking for it for a long time, unfortunately it releases after the Ultimate, the one content where it would be very useful.
Especially on healers, whose current BiS involves 710 gloves and boots because piety is just that terrible, it would've been nice to have access to the alternative gear before the content that requires 730.

[SacraAnima]

I mean... Granted that not everyone does Savage. Therefore, if the content is actually accessible to people despite it's challenge, it is a vastly easier way for people that are still around 710 ilvl, to get a BiS level of gear.
Think about it as a catch-up system for those who do not do Savage. It doesn't trivialize Savage gear this way and allows other players to be able to have competitive gear with the same criteria, even more, due to not having weekly lockout to farm.

If a new Chaotic Alliance Raid is added ever .5 patch? It is excellent to keep those who do not partake in Savage to have something to aim for in progression.

Jeuno Alliance Raid will be released, which gives access to shines and twines for non-savage players to start to upgrade their tome gear. You're also right that Chaotic will help non-savage players get that gear as well (depending on the stats of the Chaotic gear, it could be trash), but we'll have to see how much that demographic engages with Chaotic, since it's essentially marketed as the same difficulty as a second tier Savage fight. Also, if they do happen to go in there and farm it for gear, what's the gear for? What purpose does it serve if it will be replaced by crafted gear and the next tome tier before the next battle content is released? Aside from the player-generated sense of earning something, there's no benefit to this gear within the game itself. That's poor MMO design, really.

That's what makes this release date so irritating. It could have actually made a difference for people going into Ultimate, or for those who are still progging Savage. But no, it's released after all use for it is overwritten by other means.