Ffxiv monthly sub isn't stretching & response to PCGAMER article

[Moqi]

Y'all have been arguing about something completely unrelated to the thread or FFXIV for 3 pages now...

[Larirawiel]

Yoshi-P is part of management himself. He's on the board of directors. They have no excuse anymore.

Yes. But the management as a whole seems to be completely disconnected from reality. You can see it when they introduced the NFT game. If they would live in reality then they would know, that you can safely replace the word "NFT" with "crypto scam" and you are always right. But no, they made the NFT game, which was a big flop. And they had Forspoken, which was a huge flop. And this is the reason why FF14 carries the whole company now.


Cheers

[CalvinDescoles]

i would really like to see any investement that proove my cash is going to be usefull IN FFXIV ... It is the first time in 10 years of this game i feel like it is not. having to wait 4/8/12 month to see a QoL or a job change is very disrepectful, not talking about the hat/hair situation with rhothgirls (since the same drama with bunbuns).

Yeah... for me this article hit right where it hurt.

[VeyaAkemi]

the grind whales skip is they can pay 2,000 dollars to get 6 copies of the character and limited weapon to roll over content right now.

You are severely misrepresenting how those games work for two core reasons:

1. You cannot endlessly grind gacha currency in those games, there is a limited, carefully measured amount of rolls available from free play within a time frame, there is no world where if you spent 720 hours per month playing where you could get enough currency to bridge that gap, they aren't paying to "skip the grind", they are outright buying the power their characters have, impossible to gain save for some extreme measures, like spending years not rolling for any characters so you can have one single hyper powered character, which, as I am about to explain in the point bellow, the game punishes you for doing due to the multiple character necessity.

2. A sizeable amount of the currency is gained in such trivial manner, from merely engaging with the game's basic systems, that it takes no real grind, in ZZZ you don't even need to play the game to earn your daily drop of currency, you complete all your dailies by briefly clicking a few micromanagement systems, the remainder comes from either log in events, or from... whatever they call it in any given game, I forget what Genshin and HSR calls it, but WuWa(not a Hoyo game but they did copy that damn homework so fair enough) calls it Tower of Adversity, and ZZZ calls it Shiyu Defense, it requires high level, properly geared characters to clear, and it awards a very decent chunk of currency, making properly geared characters much more pressing, not only that, but the way those systems work press you to level and gear up multiple characters, forcing you to engage with the aforementioned dogwater gearing system, and therefor making it much more time-limited than you made it sound, sure Domains will be available for as long as the servers are online... but the currency you could've earned if you had got good drops right away isn't.

Like I said several pages ago, I have played gachas for almost 10 years, and have been through most major titles in the genre, their systems are entirely indefensible, and exist to make the player's life as miserable as they can to push you to swiping that card, it's manipulative to the extreme.

[At0msk]

People really in here trying to equate gambling mechanics where you pay for a chance of getting something you want, within a lootbox that you don't know the contents of to a cash shop and sub where you know precisely what you're paying for and what content is involved. Whales are absolutely cooked and seething
Go play your game and keep mention of it off the forum you bunch of mind addled goobbues.

A little louder for those in the back with ears clogged with lootboxes; WHO ASKED.

[Flay_wind]

You know, the readiness of people on these forums to belittle and insult those, whom they disagree with, have always been fascinating, really.
But hey, what do i know, i am not exactly playing anymore, and only have posting privileges due to free login campaign.

[Voidmage]

People really in here trying to equate gambling mechanics where you pay for a chance of getting something you want, within a lootbox that you don't know the contents of to a cash shop and sub where you know precisely what you're paying for and what content is involved. Whales are absolutely cooked and seething
Go play your game and keep mention of it off the forum you bunch of mind addled goobbues.

A little louder for those in the back with ears clogged with lootboxes; WHO ASKED.

Yes we will play our games and we will keep mentioning them because:
This thread is about how the sub right now isn’t enough for the content.
We bring other games in here as comparisons to that.
It doesn’t matter if you or someone else thinks those examples don’t count because it’s from something you don’t like. This is a forum and people are allowed to post.

This is my final post here you can then go and defend this perfect mmo again against all other evil games out there oh great knight.
FF14 sucks right now in many departments.
Some Gacha have a better story, better events and a better patch cycle and actually listen to feedback.

Edit:
Not the reason for the report but honestly you just make it worse right now.
Go ahead I don’t care anymore.

[At0msk]

Too bad they neither read nor care about a single mote of feedback coming from this forum or just about anywhere else. They'll fix healers any day now, right? RIGHT!!? Guys...? It's only been three expansions! They'll fix them soon!

Yeah, please look forward to it. Anyway I'm out.

[Raven2014]

Its not a "rigid definition" of gambling. Its THE definition. No matter how much you try to gaslight the sun is the moon, that wont change.

"Actually from the right angle, and they both are round" lol get outta here.

Real money rolls being AVAILABLE vs a regular mmo grind? You dont use actual money for rolling on gear in FFXiv. You cant compare a solid sub to that. Thats like saying netflix is gambling. Im not going after your precious games gameplay or story.
Im going after its real money gambling mechanics.
Cash shops are scummy, sub without proper content scummy. Gambling mechanics for real money scummiest. Not the same level, scummy but not the same level.

This is like me telling people to check out Las Vegas to see what it has to offer, and you yelling from the top of your lung "NO GAMBLING IS BAD, DON'T GO TO VEGAS IT GONNA RUIN YOUR LIFE" while being entirely oblivious to the fact that Vegas has a lot more to offer outside of gambling, like the botanical garden, the restaurants, the national landmarks, the festival .etc. That's what I advise people to check out but your prejudice is so bad that you can not see Las Vegas for anything beyond the poker table.

Remember Guild War 2? I played that game at launch and played it for 2-3 years. By the time I was done, I had 10 characters and 4 Legendary weapon. The number of dollar I spent gabling on Black Lion Chest? 0. At the same times, I know some people spending hundred dollars a month on it in hoping to win big. I used to recommend that games to people because it was a good game, I just told them not to try to gamble on the Black Lion chest.

In most Gacha games, assuming you're playing nonstop a F2P players usually will catch up in 1 or 2 years depending on how long the game has been out. And I didn't take that statement for granted and hearsay. I've played enough that I'm passed the so call "honey moon" period, meaning now I have an exact number of in game currency I will get each patch. And most of them is enough to get whatever content coming out, guarantee, without spending a dollar. Is that gambling to you, 'cause that doesn't sound like gambling to me. Now can you pay to get more? Sure can, but like I said, you don't have to sit down the table just because you go to Vegas.

Am I saying I'm a F2P players? No. In fact I don't think any of us here had said we are F2P. We openly said we have no problem paying F2P games the same amount of money we put in FF14 because we realize we're getting a better value for our dollar. (So it's kinda funny a few post back you make it out as if we were lying).

Cash shops are scummy, sub without proper content scummy. Gambling mechanics for real money scummiest. Not the same level, scummy but not the same level.

Ah, so just another case of rule for thee not for me and I'm the one making the rule. Just like I expect, thanks for the confirmation

[Hallarem]

This is like me telling people to check out Las Vegas to see what it has to offer, and you yelling from the top of your lung "NO GAMBLING IS BAD, DON'T GO TO VEGAS IT GONNA RUIN YOUR LIFE" while being entirely oblivious to the fact that Vegas has a lot more to offer outside of gambling, like the botanical garden, the restaurants, the national landmarks, the festival .etc. That's what I advise people to check out but your prejudice is so bad that you can not see Las Vegas for anything beyond the poker table.

Remember Guild War 2? I played that game at launch and played it for 2-3 years. By the time I was done, I had 10 characters and 4 Legendary weapon. The number of dollar I spent gabling on Black Lion Chest? 0. At the same times, I know some people spending hundred dollars a month on it in hoping to win big. I used to recommend that games to people because it was a good game, I just told them not to try to gamble on the Black Lion chest.

In most Gacha games, assuming you're playing nonstop a F2P players usually will catch up in 1 or 2 years depending on how long the game has been out. And I didn't take that statement for granted and hearsay. I've played enough that I'm passed the so call "honey moon" period, meaning now I have an exact number of in game currency I will get each patch. And most of them is enough to get whatever content coming out, guarantee, without spending a dollar. Is that gambling to you, 'cause that doesn't sound like gambling to me. Now can you pay to get more? Sure can, but like I said, you don't have to sit down the table just because you go to Vegas.

Am I saying I'm a F2P players? No. In fact I don't think any of us here had said we are F2P. We openly said we have no problem paying F2P games the same amount of money we put in FF14 because we realize we're getting a better value for our dollar. (So it's kinda funny a few post back you make it out as if we were lying).




Ah, so just another case of rule for thee not for me and I'm the one making the rule. Just like I expect, thanks for the confirmation

Sorry mah dude, but its not an opinion. It's a fact, game of chance = gambling. And gambling is by definition worse and more predatory than direct purchases, let alone aimed at a younger audience with low self-control with their money as they are vying for gacha waifus and power in a game thats designed to be slower for people who don't swipe. I can 100% admit that it might have better gameplay and story, easily. A lot of games have better story and gameplay than FFXIV, ESPECIALLY gameplay.

I'll even extend an olive branch and apologize for making this personal, I just feel very passionate about gambling mechanics and lootboxes inserted into games. It was unfair of me. But calling out gacha games for predatory monetization is something I will not stop doing.