Is it reasonably possible to clear savage without Synced Burst windows?

[Gurgeh]

This question can't be answered in one go. This is not simply a "yes, but need *insert color here* parses to do it" or a "nah its impossible" angle. There are many factors that are involved in the question itself:

1. Gear of the party
2. Party composition
3. Dps check of the tier itself

1 - Gear of the party

This can range from min ilvl crafted with no pentamelding, all the way to full BiS. The answer will be wildy different just on this alone


2 - Party Composition

How many selfish (no buff) jobs are in the party? How well do your jobs normally play into bursts compared to out of bursts? If you have a DRK/GNB/SAM/MCH/BLM/WHM/SAGE 7/8 comp, syncing almost has no effect for instance.


3 - DPS check of the tier itself

Your answer will be very different if we were to compare Abyssos savage to this current tier as an example. Square has not fully defined a normal "DPS check" that they do for savages.



The short answer: It depends

1. Needs to be reasonably possible with average item level = MinILvL +5 at the very most, maybe +10 actually. We can't all expect to clear.
I'll accept absolute day zero clear is only for the very best, but you shouldn't have to wait until you've geared up on normal raid gear, and savage gear is out of question unless you get it from the previous raid within that tear (whole party). Nor should you need to be working markets and crafitng with add-ons, or quitting your day job, staying up all night on monster drinks, or selling your miquo alt on the ERP scene, in order to purchase your gear to clear the tear before next patch.

2 Party composition.
The main concern for me here is what might be causing what some see as a homogeaonising of the jobs.
So it hast to be possible with ANY combination that is 2 tanks, 2 mele, 2 range, 1 barrier 1 regen (I'll allow some fussiness on the healer mix, healers get my ultimate respect, so why not ask them to master two jobs while we are at it) Lets say 1 of each job though with fast LB

3 This needs to work for any every fight in a tier while its before it becomes previous tier.

[TomsYoungerBro]

3 This needs to work for any every fight in a tier while its before it becomes previous tier.

Then the answer is no. Considering you have to take Abyssos Savage when it was current into account. It would not be commonly possible to clear the 8th circle savage with any comp and not be synced on bursts. The DPS check was very tight, and balance was not in a good state (currently balance is in a bad state as well) to handle it. World Prog/Hardcore groups were having to switch off of underperforming jobs to clear week 1, so expecting common PF players at minilvl +10 to do it and not syncing buffs is not happening.

[Gurgeh]

Then the answer is no. Considering you have to take Abyssos Savage when it was current into account. It would not be commonly possible to clear the 8th circle savage with any comp and not be synced on bursts. The DPS check was very tight, and balance was not in a good state (currently balance is in a bad state as well) to handle it. World Prog/Hardcore groups were having to switch off of underperforming jobs to clear week 1, so expecting common PF players at minilvl +10 to do it and not syncing buffs is not happening.

Well then I'd say for all those who complain that the jobs are too alike and boring... there is 100% of your problem right there.
QED
The DPS checks are too challenging.
To anyone who will later then complain Savage is too easy I cleared it week 1 after three sessions, it really ticks me off. Because "have you tried it without cheating, yes I'm including any and all use of parsers in that."

I'd also say if you put together a team of JUST the meta jobs for that tier, again don't complain that you cleared/farmed it super quick and your bored.

[TomsYoungerBro]

Well then I'd say for all those who complain that the jobs are too alike and boring... there is 100% of your problem right there.
QED
The DPS checks are too challenging.
To anyone who will later then complain Savage is too easy I cleared it week 1 after three sessions, it really ticks me off. Because "have you tried it without cheating, yes I'm including any and all use of parsers in that."

I'd also say if you put together a team of JUST the meta jobs for that tier, again don't complain that you cleared/farmed it super quick and your bored.

Jobs not being balanced =/= jobs aren't homogenized. It seems you are just trying to build a narrative, so you will do leaps and bounds to your conclusion.

As an example, Dark Knight and Warrior play very similarly. Dark Knight just simply has more oGCDs and the self-buff is handled slightly different (warrior's is applied on the gcd rotation, while dark knight is via a 3k MP oGCD). Despite them playing very similar, DRK well outclassed WAR in dps during the Abyssos tier. WAR was one of the several classes that were underperforming by several % dps compared to their role counterparts.

The real issue is we can't have proper balance AND the jobs are very much samey. Since Abyssos, the DPS checks for savage have been very light (instead of actually fixing the balance). So now we are in a situation where we can't have proper DPS checks for Savage, and we don't have unique jobs. Its a loss all around.