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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by coreydies View Post
    When I read the article and they said they'd double down on Wuk Lamat since they fumbled the first time, I just knew I had to see the forum's reaction. Gonna be an absolute crapstorm here for the next 8 months.
    It appears we were mistaken. Wuk Lamat wasn't the problem, but YoshiP is.
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    Yeah, reading this interview is depressing. Wuk Lamat isn't a deep, complex, or even original character to FFXIV. Wuk Lamat is just Ryne with Shonen protagonist syndrome and poor motivations. I have 9000+ hours in XIV, but I won't be resubbing again ever, I think. This isn't a poor act I to some grand narrative, it's complete failure to launch. They could hit the emergency Sephiroth raid boss button and I would not care at this point.
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    how nice of the interviewer to talk positiv about wuk. a well earned thank you from yoshida at the end xD

    just me who thinks thats a kinda weird thing to end the interview with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus View Post
    Even if they are somehow, the most unlikely of scenarios happens and they are able to redeem Wuk through good, well crafted writing, her voice actress basically tainted the character for me for good. Yeah there was a lot of transphobia, but her reaction was so juvenile and just downright vile that much like Kevin Sorbo, James Woods, Roseanne, Kelsey Grammer and other incredibly toxic actors she forever tainted everything she does for me. If she would have handled it with a little more grace it would be fine, but her kneejerk reaction was full on salting the earth mode.

    Growing up gay in the 90s in a very small town I faced a lot of name calling, death threats, danger, etc myself and I completely understand, from experience, how it feels. These were not online trolls though, these were real life, in my face, immediate danger sort of threats that I faced on a day to day basis that got so bad I ended up leaving my home town as soon as I was able. Standing up for yourself is good and you do not always have to be the bigger person, but going off like she did on everyone who was not a sycophant for her is just not an acceptable responce.

    Wuk is forever tainted, by writing for some and for other reasons by others, and they just need to accept that and move on.
    Since I do not dwell much on social media and especially not twitter and whatnot, could you enlighten me on what she replied and what she said exactly? I'm asking out of curiosity, not malice. I would like to make my own opinion about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    Since I do not dwell much on social media and especially not twitter and whatnot, could you enlighten me on what she replied and what she said exactly? I'm asking out of curiosity, not malice. I would like to make my own opinion about it.
    I'd recommend you go to her account directly, but she locked it. It's probably best not to rehash here in the context of this article though - usually it just spirals threads into being locked. You may be able to run a search on the forums assuming they haven't all been deleted by mods at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaskiaLox View Post
    Yeah, reading this interview is depressing. Wuk Lamat isn't a deep, complex, or even original character to FFXIV. Wuk Lamat is just Ryne with Shonen protagonist syndrome and poor motivations. I have 9000+ hours in XIV, but I won't be resubbing again ever, I think. This isn't a poor act I to some grand narrative, it's complete failure to launch. They could hit the emergency Sephiroth raid boss button and I would not care at this point.
    She's comparable to Lyse, but the narrative handles her as delicately as possible. Every instance of Lyse getting told to sod off because she doesn't understand what the people have gone through, failing and getting people killed or tortured, having her bravado chipped away, and actually learning from people with more experience is completely absent from Wuk's pathetic facsimile of an arc.
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  7. #37
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    Since I do not dwell much on social media and especially not twitter and whatnot, could you enlighten me on what she replied and what she said exactly? I'm asking out of curiosity, not malice. I would like to make my own opinion about it.
    The VA?
    Before this Role she was very vocal about certain "trans-coded" characters needing to be voiced by trans people only and one year on trans day of visibility sicced her followers on the Guilty Gear VA who voices Bridget asking for her to step down and let a trans VA (implication here being Bryer would gladly take the role) voice her. She complains a lot about similar characters like Street Fighter's Poison needing to be only voiced by transwomen and so on.
    When DT came out Bryer said that Smile was "Literally a Black Gospel song" and that it "said a lot that gamers didn't like it", obviously implying that people who didn't like the song or its strange inclusion were racist. She was called out on it and tried to turn it into a kafka-trap style trick where she said she tricked people who called her out into exposing themselves as bigots or whatever, but it's clear she made a bad take for attention and it backfired.

    Now it's hard to check some of this stuff because she went private on twitter so pulling up the specifics quotes is going to be hard. Generally my read is she is a self-promoter who likes to whine her career is being handicapped instead of improving her work, and leads hate raids regularly against other people who disagree with her or actors who she thinks are not fit to voice characters she likes. Genuinely it seems like SE gave the role of Wuk Lamat to a rage baiting troll who cannot keep her personal opinions to herself.

    Another example that came to me after submitting this is during the launch trolls would occasionally write something at her like "you suck they should recast you" and she would repost it saying that this was the harassment she faced every day. Her followers would then run to the person's account and brigade everything they post until they delete their posts or go private. Bryer made a statement about how she "doesn't condone harassment in her name" but what do you expect when you hold up some random in front of however many thousand of your fans and say "this is the guy who is harassing me"?

    Regardless this is generally out of scope of the article and it only leads to mud slinging whenever the VA gets brought up and threads locked while moderators go through and clean it up so it's best to leave it here.
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    Last edited by VerdeLuck; 10-29-2024 at 03:12 AM.

  8. #38
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    They are doing exactly what I was afraid of. Doubling down on Wuk Lamat and shoving her even more down player's throats. Yoshi P truly likes to bury his head in the sand. I am tired of that b--ch and don't want to deal with her anymore.
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    "The worst foe lies within the self."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carin-Eri View Post
    Well, I'd argue that he did at least address/call out the death threats made toward a certain VA....
    Twitter is a cess pool these days first of all, and death threats are never okay. Second of all, she is not innocent either. She's a pretty awful person in some of those tweets
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    Quote Originally Posted by weebtext View Post
    At this point I'm fully convinced Wuk Lamat is a primal and Yoshi-P has been tempered. RIP.
    Who knew the downfall of this games story would be a disney cat
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