7.1 - More Wuk Lamat

[Raven2014]

Imagine thinking Wuk Lamat isn't going to be in the patch series content. Peak delusion by the forums once again.

Imagine lacking in reading comprehension that you missed what people are saying.

Most people clearly expect nothing will change and she will still be here. At best some of us just point out if SE care enough they could have change it, it's not an impossible task. But none of us actually expected they care enough, and we were right.

[caffe_macchiato]

I think it’s great that Wuk is everywhere and that shills defend the slop. We need more competition in the MMO space. A game should have the freedom to fail. No product should be “too big to fail”, because doing otherwise is fundamentally anti-consumer. We should all be ready to drop any live-service game at a moment’s notice. Unfortunately, due to the decline and fall of the West, the internet has replaced all other forms of interaction, so dropping a game is very hard. Part of that is our fault, because we refuse to move on. It’s going to take a lot of work, but eventually people will have to learn to quit their favorite game and find a new favorite. We allowed this to happen, and if we don’t act, it’s going to be our fault if it keeps happening.

[Havenchild]

Nope, you just proved that you just fail even harder.

We "hope/wish" she won't be there. But we "knew" she will be there. There is a huge difference in the two saying, something you seem to be oblivious to.

When I buy a lottery ticket, I "hope" I would win the jackpot (else why would I buy it?), but I also "expect" that I won't because I know the chance of that is close to zero. And I would still be disappointed when it turns out indeed my ticket didn't win anything.

Is that example basic enough for you to comprehend?

Lottery is chance and probability. You can win or lose sure.

Patch cycle content is definitive MSQ content. There has NEVER been an example where a hated character was not in the patch cycle content. Lyse proved this already. So you can "hope" but your only feeding your own delusion which is my point as it was undeniable fact to anyone without their head in their own ass that she would be present.

[Raven2014]

Lottery is chance and probability. You can win or lose sure.

So you can "hope" but your only feeding your own delusion which is my point as it was undeniable fact to anyone without their head in their own ass that she would be present.

So you really think the chance of a gaming company listening to feedback and make timely change is less than the chance of winning a lottery jackpot? ... Al'right.

So you can "hope" but your only feeding your own delusion which is my point as it was undeniable fact to anyone without their head in their own ass that she would be present.

Still failing at reading comprehension I see.

No-one deny the "fact" that WL would me present, even as we hope for it. You know what delusion would look like? It gonna look this:

WL is so bad I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure SE would listen and totally remove her for sure!

And that's what delusion would look like. Not "I wish she wouldn't be there but she probably will", that's just acceptance, the very opposite of what you call delusion. The only person here insisting on it is you. You want to put words in other's mouth because you believe it enable you to insult them for something they did not say.

[Havenchild]

So you really think the chance of a gaming company listening to feedback and make timely change is less than the chance of winning a lottery jackpot? ... Al'right.



Still failing at reading comprehension I see.

No-one deny the "fact" that WL would me present, even as we hope for it. You know what delusion would look like? It gonna look this:

WL is so bad I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure SE would listen and totally remove her for sure!

And that's what delusion would look like. Not "I wish she wouldn't be there but she probably will", that's just acceptance, the very opposite of what you call delusion. The only person here insisting on it is you. You want to put words in other's mouth because you believe it enable you to insult them for something they did not say.

There is and always has been 0% chance that they would have removed Wuk Lamat from patch content. So yeah winning the lottery is actually more likely than the removal of Wuk Lamat from patch series MSQ and Lyse proved this already when she was present all the way to 4.55. To want, hope, assume, she wouldn't be in the patch content is delusional. Point, blank, period.

Just cause you and others have a hard time accepting you are that far gone in your negative circlejerk on the forums doesn't make it any less true. You still delusional.

[fulminating]

It was not physically impossible, but 7.1 must have been a fair way through production by the time they received the feedback. Unless wuk was actively detrimental to the point that it would damage the overall company, it’s just not worth the bother jettisoning the work already completed. 7.2 might have less, but given how heavily involved with 7.0 wuk was, the epilogue conclusion is likely to require her presence. Also they probably wouldn’t bother producing another tank for duty support, even if proggo tanko from gubal is precedent. But hey it’ll be pretty easy to see if they’re easing off if any other character manages to get a word in edgeways.

[ZephyrMenodora]

There is and always has been 0% chance that they would have removed Wuk Lamat from patch content. So yeah winning the lottery is actually more likely than the removal of Wuk Lamat from patch series MSQ and Lyse proved this already when she was present all the way to 4.55. To want, hope, assume, she wouldn't be in the patch content is delusional. Point, blank, period.

Just cause you and others have a hard time accepting you are that far gone in your negative circlejerk on the forums doesn't make it any less true. You still delusional.

You have pulled a narrative out of nowhere that we expected Wuk to 100% vanish. Even my OP stated that I had hoped she would just stay in her throne room. No one expected her to just vanish and crate a plot hole. You are arguing against an argument you came up with yourself.

Honestly, most of the people still playing the game (regardless of opinion, but especially those who are neutral or positive on DT) aren't here on the forums with you guys sinking into the same doom spiral since June/July. It's quite tiresome to read.

Great news! You don't have to read it. Here is a nice thread for you:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...on-Fan-club%21

[Heavenchild]

Oh no..., more Wuk Lamat... qwq
I feel bad for that character. Because she is not bad. She is just thrown hard into our faces muuuuch too often. And now again. I really can't see her anymore. *sigh*

[All_Nonsense]

I think something people are having trouble reconciling is 2-fold: For one, CBU3 wrote a bad story. Straight up. And the actual writing from a literary perspective is extraordinarily subpar compared to what we've been receiving for 10 years - even ARR (which, don't put on the grayscale glasses. ARR was actually pretty decent). It's fast-food shonen dribble over-saturated with forced sentiment and unrealistic stakes far surpassing any we've seen up to this point. This coming after we were advertised something completely different. It's really an impressive feat they've pulled off whiplashing the dedicated portion of the player base.

Secondly, the development process is affected by massive undertow. Development of 7.1 was already well on its way when 7.0 released, and it's very likely that the entire story of 7.0-7.55 was already penned up by this point as well (and only needed to be fleshed out). Even if they wanted to do a full 180, it's likely we won't be seeing that for quite a long while. Even worse - the 7.1 story is probably going to perpetuate issues everyone already has with 7.0 which would make changing things even more difficult. Due to SE standing on a financial precipice, Yoshi P is trying to save face by effectively insulting the intelligence of the players by deflecting issues and making statements misrepresenting the concerns of the player base because if he doesn't it could sink the company.

Combine all of this with a complete lack of content to fill the time before 7.2 and it's a recipe for a major financial occurrence within SE. If they're not careful, the business decisions SE has been making siphoning funds away from FF14 are going to finally surface in a massive loss of revenue as players become bored or disenfranchised and end their subscriptions. When operating with a subscription model in place, it's significantly more difficult to regain a discontinued subscription than it is to maintain pre-existing ones, so every lost sub makes recovery from a financial event harder and harder. Throw in typical bad SE business practices and you have the makings of a potential cascade. Of course, one on this magnitude would take several years. Time will tell. This isn't the first time they've been on the verge of an exodus and they honestly don't seem to care nor are they bothered by things currently so we'll just have to see what happens.

[VeyaAkemi]

(which, don't put on the grayscale glasses. ARR was actually pretty decent)

ARR isn't bad as a plot, but it is a horrible story, because it fumbles the other extremely important trait, storytelling, it's a decent plot told horribly, with pacing issues all over the place that would make the worst segments of EW and DT blush for how depraved it is, and this is *after* they severely shaved ARR down, it makes the whole thing an absolute slog to get through when you have to bounce back and forth doing the absolutely most menial tasks imaginable, the worst of which is the segment you have to get the corrupted crystal to reach Garuda, the sequence where Cid regains his memories is also the most bizarre thing, and makes absolutely no sense unless you are a 1.0 character(an understatement that those are the overwhelming minority), or have gone out of your way to look up what it is about, and it is an extremely bad thing when a story requires you to do homework to understand what is going on at all.