Allagans in Tural?

[Carin-Eri]

If there are links to the Allagans I rather hope that, if they appear, it's more toward the end of Dawntrail's story.

By all accounts Emet-Selch's suggestions (near the end of Endwalker) pertaining to where we should explore has become something of a 'tick-list' at this point, which means that we'll be visiting Meracydia at some point. And considering Meracydia's history it'd be difficult for any story there to not have a heavy Allagan influence.

[Cleretic]

Unfortunately Allag gets treated like that is its story – the whole thousand years of its history revolving around being an evil empire from start to finish.

I wouldn't even mind that if we left War Crime R&D at some point and visited some other part of the evil empire.

Let's visit the remains of a resistance cell! Slums that stood the ravages of time better than the nobility somehow! 'Museum of Stuff We Stole'!

[Shuuchi]

I wouldn't even mind that if we left War Crime R&D at some point and visited some other part of the evil empire.

Let's visit the remains of a resistance cell! Slums that stood the ravages of time better than the nobility somehow! 'Museum of Stuff We Stole'!

Would be nice to not always be hyper focused on Allagan research facilities story-wise, ye.

That said, we do have a few pieces.
The Boarderland Ruins map can be consctruded as a major Allagan city given things like manors and markets.
The mechanical part of The Burn is a mining facility, filled with automated worker drones.
And Azys Lla has pieces of landmass ripped from Meracydia, flora and fauna along with.

There are a few scraps on how life was like back in the empire’s hay day through item texts and interactables in dungeons as well.

[No_Nick_Needed]

I would not necesssarily say Allag was evil from start to finish, at least not with conviction.
We have heard that they went on a conquering spree under Xande, then declined for centuries and only went back to conquering, when Amon brought Xande back, via cloning. We know next to nothing about those times of not-Xande rule, both before his birth and the in-between period. Maybe the "decline", as seen from Amon's perspective, was them becoming peaceful and giving more rights and privileges to the conquered countries, which the hardliners saw as decadent weakness. Or it could be just a cavalcade of incompetence, with just as much evil intent behind it... we just don't know, but that also means there is plenty of open room for story-telling, if the writers want to explore it.

History does have a tendency to record the wars and catastrophes more than the times of peace and plenty.

As others said, with how important their conflict with Allag was, we will almost asuredly hear of them, once we go to Meracydia. Maybe we'll learn what they did in Tural, and more interestingly, why they stopped after taking only parts of it. Were they just not interested in the land, too preoccupied with their home content and Meracydia, or did something stop their expansion into the rest of Tural? Or was it just timing, with them just barely stepping onto Tural, when their decline started.

[Aneshda]

At this Point, I would love a full Allagan Expansion everything is better as DawnTrail.

[MikkoAkure]

I would not necesssarily say Allag was evil from start to finish, at least not with conviction.
We have heard that they went on a conquering spree under Xande, then declined for centuries and only went back to conquering, when Amon brought Xande back, via cloning. We know next to nothing about those times of not-Xande rule, both before his birth and the in-between period. Maybe the "decline", as seen from Amon's perspective, was them becoming peaceful and giving more rights and privileges to the conquered countries, which the hardliners saw as decadent weakness. Or it could be just a cavalcade of incompetence, with just as much evil intent behind it... we just don't know, but that also means there is plenty of open room for story-telling, if the writers want to explore it.

History does have a tendency to record the wars and catastrophes more than the times of peace and plenty.

There was nothing of Allag before Xande's birth because he was its genesis. As for after Xande, the EE says that the subsequent emperors after his passing continued conquering, it wasn't just Xande who did that. They only stopped when there was nothing left to conquer on the Three Great Continents.

The book goes on to say that after that there was 300 years of peace and prosperity, though we know the empire lasted ~1000 years so only a smaller portion of it was actually peaceful. The empire started to decline after that 300 years. Suicide rates went up, birth rates plummeted, rebellions sprouted where there were bad leaders. And we don't know how good it was for everyone. We already know that the Allagans were prejudiced against Miqo'te and initially kicked them out of Eorzea to Corvos, where they still remain (and before the area had any revealed recorded history of proto-Garleans).

The empire was created and manipulated by the Ascians just like the Garlean Empire, to be lifted up to as great heights as possible, for it to come crashing down with such force that it breaks the world and eats another. Some individuals within the empire may certainly have had good intentions, but the empire as a whole was built for evil purpose and it can't just be pinned on Xande since his descendants perpetuated it, at least for a time.

[Cleretic]

Also, I'm gonna go cold-takes political here, but 'evil empire' is just a nice-sounding oxymoron. Empires can't exactly happen benevolently or accidentally, there is no possible not-evil empire. However, Allag were definitely 'going for bonus points' on evil, so to speak. Some of the stuff we find in Azys Lla (including the fish) suggests a level of cruelty for the sake of it, and yes that might come from the Ascians turning up the heat, but that doesn't really make it better.

Still would be nice, if we see more Allag, to get proper spotlight to something that isn't an evil laboratory of some kind. Shuuchi's list sounds nice, but the Meracydia recognition in Azys Lla amounts to a couple pieces of set dressing in Evil Lab Central, the Burn's ruins being a mining facility is very easily missed/forgotten and not particularly detailed, and the Borderland Ruins aren't even in the game anymore (given Astragalos, I'm not believing the 'temporary' on its removal until it's back). Surely, we can do better than that.

[Shuuchi]

Shuuchi's list sounds nice, but the Meracydia recognition in Azys Lla amounts to a couple pieces of set dressing in Evil Lab Central, the Burn's ruins being a mining facility is very easily missed/forgotten and not particularly detailed, and the Borderland Ruins aren't even in the game anymore (given Astragalos, I'm not believing the 'temporary' on its removal until it's back). Surely, we can do better than that.

I remember some people talking about an Allagan colony on another planet, given how the Allagans had interstellar travel capabilities. There is a beacon on Azys Lla meant for communicating across star systems as well.
But seeing how EW spawned a bunch of angry birbs outside Zodiark's barrier, that one turned out to be a bust...

...Or maybe we can find a colony of Allagan drones on a far away planet that built an empty city meant for their dead masters during the space exploration content. Imagine getting an Allagan housing district, haha!
Probably not, but I can dream...

[Iscah]

Further on my Mamool Ja -> Iksalion theory (which I am still not actually trying to develop but it keeps coming to me), the Ixal also use a naming scheme from the same general region as Mamool Ja are from.

[No_Nick_Needed]

From the Hanu Hanu and Moblins and their similarities to the Vanu Vanu and Goblins, we can also infer that there very likely was some kind of cross continental migration going on, at some point of the ancient past. They are a bit too similar and name and culture, for tme to believe they just happened to develop so similarly, on two seperate continents, to be entirely unconnected since the sundering. I can think of worse theories, than the Allagans collecting some of them in Eorzea and shipping them to their new colony as slaves, or the other way around, capture them in Tural and ship them back home to be used there...
Now actually the latter makes a lot of sense to me. The Vanu Vanu live quite close to Azys La and the Goblins are obsessed with technology, where their Turali cousins are more down for jewelry and classical smithing. Maybe the Goblins picked up their fascination with tech from their former slave masters.