Frontlines sucks Ultra megathread

[Valence]

Before condemning premades, I think it's worth noting one thing.

'The only obligation any player has in FL is to help their team win'

Nobody is under any obligation to make sure everyone else is having a pleasant experience (as long as they don't violate ToS).

The group of people who will play any job and follow any meta with the ultimate goal of having the highest win rate will never get along with the group of people who just want to queue into FL for some mindless zerg fun and don't care whether they win or lose.

Neither group is more correct either, it's simply an irreconcilable difference between players.

My problem isn't about premades, in fact I have defended premades regularly in the past on those very forums against people that wanted to see them removed. My post history is here to show for it, and I took a lot of flak for it.

My problem is about the lack of care SE put into FLs, where the problem has been actually pretty serious for years and yet they're reluctant to invest any resources into addressing it, and how this allows for abuses. This all boils down to abuses, and while it was other things before, today it's DRK-AoE spamm abusers which is not only totally braindead, but also leaves no room for anything else if executed on the field.

[Mawlzy]

My problem isn't about premades, in fact I have defended premades regularly in the past on those very forums against people that wanted to see them removed. My post history is here to show for it, and I took a lot of flak for it.

My problem is about the lack of care SE put into FLs, where the problem has been actually pretty serious for years and yet they're reluctant to invest any resources into addressing it, and how this allows for abuses. This all boils down to abuses, and while it was other things before, today it's DRK-AoE spamm abusers which is not only totally braindead, but also leaves no room for anything else if executed on the field.

100% agree. Yet the current abusers of that lack of care will loudly proclaim the problem with the mode is the stupid players.

While massive XP rewards continue to exist, nobody is going to change the attitude of the bulk of the players, however hard they hit them with the cat-o-nine tails. I'm not sure we can influence SE either, but that's the better bet.

[Aravell]

Yet the current abusers of that lack of care will loudly proclaim the problem with the mode is the stupid players.

Both can be true at the same time. Yes, SE doesn't give enough care to the PvP content because FL problems tend to last for a long time, but that doesn't absolve the people who are lazy.

I can do over 1m damage on a solo BRD, I don't believe for a second that the MCH sitting at 0/8 with less than 200k damage dealt is that low "because of the DRKs". I think the people at the bottom of the leaderboard tend to be there from lack of trying, then they blame the convenient scapegoat of "DRK premades".

[Mawlzy]

Both can be true at the same time. Yes, SE doesn't give enough care to the PvP content because FL problems tend to last for a long time, but that doesn't absolve the people who are lazy.

I can do over 1m damage on a solo BRD, I don't believe for a second that the MCH sitting at 0/8 with less than 200k damage dealt is that low "because of the DRKs". I think the people at the bottom of the leaderboard tend to be there from lack of trying, then they blame the convenient scapegoat of "DRK premades".

I completely agree there's a stubborn rump of players who are putting in basically zero effort. I would be much happier if I didn't have to play with them. However, I'd suggest that group is not blaming anyone for their K/D/A/Dmg. They take the XP and run.