Tell me stories when a mentor hurt you.

[Greyhawk]

I just ended up turning my mentor crown off, because it's frankly not worth the hassle anymore. The toxicity in this game towards people wanting to help others is astounding. I even have macros for certain alliance raids explaining the fights. Deleted, I got scolded for teaching someone. Now, I just let people suffer, die and figure it out. Sometimes, I don't even bother raising any longer on certain people because they don't even make the attempt at getting out of the mechanics at all.

So, thank our community for turning a somewhat decent system of recognition into a hate show. It's almost as bad as politics in game, and you posting some sign in your yard that you are a Mentor, only to have this community take a virtual dump on your lawn.

[Jonsky]

I even have macros for certain alliance raids explaining the fights. Deleted, I got scolded for teaching someone.

Makes me think these macros had sound effects embedded in the message. Could also be that they take up the entire chatbox, putting people into "I ain't readin' all of that" mode.

Now, I just let people suffer, die and figure it out.

This is what I feel like is the best course of action regardless of situation. Once a wipe has happened, I sometimes ask something along the lines of "Anyone got questions?". Sometimes people will ask after the next wipe sometimes just silence.

Sometimes, I don't even bother raising any longer on certain people because they don't even make the attempt at getting out of the mechanics at all.

The absolute worst thing you can do. Please keep trying or leave. You're making everything worse for the 2/6/22 other people in your duty.

So, thank our community for turning a somewhat decent system of recognition into a hate show.

I have the feeling that there is some nuance being held back. How often do you encounter "The toxicity in this game"? I cannot remember any worse occurrences of bad conduct than mentors who have queued mentor roulette but leave any extreme immediately.

[TomsYoungerBro]

I just ended up turning my mentor crown off, because it's frankly not worth the hassle anymore. The toxicity in this game towards people wanting to help others is astounding. I even have macros for certain alliance raids explaining the fights. Deleted, I got scolded for teaching someone. Now, I just let people suffer, die and figure it out. Sometimes, I don't even bother raising any longer on certain people because they don't even make the attempt at getting out of the mechanics at all.

So, thank our community for turning a somewhat decent system of recognition into a hate show. It's almost as bad as politics in game, and you posting some sign in your yard that you are a Mentor, only to have this community take a virtual dump on your lawn.

Sorry to put you on blast, but this is Exhibit A about why the Mentor system is extremely flawed:

1. Mad they can't wear a "crown" to show they are a mentor because they get hate. Why is this a huge hindrance for helping others? You still have the "mentor" status, and having the crown does not stop you from helping others.

2. Literally admitted to griefing their parties because some people just can't figure it out fast enough. Guess they accidentally said the quiet part out loud here (incredibly toxic).

3. Instead of figuring out the boundaries of when and when not to help someone, they give up after a wall of text explaining an alliance raid gets shot down. Maybe some people want to go in blind? Maybe some people won't listen all the time? Sometimes you are gonna get shot down for advice. Take the hit and move on.


The above doesn't even take into account the requirements issue the mentor role lacks.

[RinaB]

You're not convincing anyone to wear the crown lol

[Greyhawk]

Sorry to put you on blast

Please. This is a flat out lie, or you wouldn't say this to start. Those are your exact intentions.

this is Exhibit A about why the Mentor system is extremely flawed

No, I think you have that turned around. It's not the Mentor system that's the issue. Sure, it's not a perfect system and the network is an utter disaster. But what I stated isn't a symptom, it's a result. You can't differentiate.

1. Mad they can't wear a "crown" to show they are a mentor because they get hate. Why is this a huge hindrance for helping others? You still have the "mentor" status, and having the crown does not stop you from helping others.

Further proof you missed the point entirely. When you throw out insults in attempts to justify your position, you lost your credibility. I'm not mad at all about not wearing a crown. I'm fed up with the random insults that get tossed out just because of it, and I haven't said a word. Not wearing a crown doesn't stop me from helping those who want it, and I still give tidbits of information, i.e., alternating catching the red and black orbs fighting Lahabrea. There are veterans that still don't know that in order to stop killing themselves.

2. Literally admitted to griefing their parties because some people just can't figure it out fast enough.

No, that's not it, and maybe I should have given more detail to this, but we'll see how that goes when you are just writhing to reply. This is after the 4th and 5th wipes with half the raid that's not done something before, and after more than just me explaining mechanics, they still refuse to even bother. Another example, since you want to call this griefing: Not performing the active maneuver timer in The Seat of Sacrifice. If one person doesn't click the timed maneuver, the entire raid fails. Or, balancing the scales in Aglaia, people troll the entire raid to make them fail. Which, by the way is a reportable offense, and people were suspended for that. Yet, that along with tank busters dragged into raids is still a thing happening today because the tank thinks it's funny. That's griefing; me not raising someone who does these stunts or isn't contributing at all isn't griefing. It saves me MP to be more productive.

3. Instead of figuring out the boundaries of when and when not to help someone, they give up after a wall of text explaining an alliance raid gets shot down. Maybe some people want to go in blind? Maybe some people won't listen all the time? Sometimes you are gonna get shot down for advice. Take the hit and move on.

Instead of the players just telling, "STFU you piece of trash" and "STFU we don't need that git gud lol" and other things just because I am explaining a fight as quickly as possible, they can instead just give a simple, "Hey, can we go in this without help, and we can ask if we get in trouble?" is perfectly acceptable and I've received that ONE TIME in Copied Factory. Nowhere else, no other time. And, I was glad to oblige them. And, no to the other poster above you - there were no sounds going off in a macro. It was a quick and simple explanation in a macro designed to be short as possible while giving an overview of events per boss.

So yeah, keep believing the mentor program is the 'problem', please. It solidifies what I've already said.

[TomsYoungerBro]

Please. This is a flat out lie, or you wouldn't say this to start. Those are your exact intentions.

My intention is to show why the mentor system is extremely flawed. Your post was just the perfect example to use, thus why I said "Sorry for putting you on blast".

No, I think you have that turned around. It's not the Mentor system that's the issue. Sure, it's not a perfect system and the network is an utter disaster. But what I stated isn't a symptom, it's a result. You can't differentiate.

The mentor system is very much flawed, and i've already stated why in previous comments on this thread alone.

Further proof you missed the point entirely. When you throw out insults in attempts to justify your position, you lost your credibility. I'm not mad at all about not wearing a crown. I'm fed up with the random insults that get tossed out just because of it, and I haven't said a word. snip

You are literally admitting to being mad lol.

No, that's not it, and maybe I should have given more detail to this, but we'll see how that goes when you are just writhing to reply. This is after the 4th and 5th wipes with half the raid that's not done something before, and after more than just me explaining mechanics, they still refuse to even bother. Another example, since you want to call this griefing: Not performing the active maneuver timer in The Seat of Sacrifice. If one person doesn't click the timed maneuver, the entire raid fails. Or, balancing the scales in Aglaia, people troll the entire raid to make them fail. Which, by the way is a reportable offense, and people were suspended for that. snip

For those trolling, there is the report option. "Don't even attempt to getting out of mechanics at all" is not trolling or griefing. That is not SoS actions or trolling scales. You are backpedaling.

Instead of the players just telling, "STFU you piece of trash" and "STFU we don't need that git gud lol" and other things just because I am explaining a fight as quickly as possible, they can instead just give a simple, "Hey, can we go in this without help, and we can ask if we get in trouble?" is perfectly acceptable and I've received that ONE TIME in Copied Factory. snip

So yeah, keep believing the mentor program is the 'problem', please. It solidifies what I've already said.

I honestly doubt someone was that toxic to you, and if they were, that is just a simple report. The GMs are very good at punishing toxicity in the chat. Move on.

[Greyhawk]

You are literally admitting to being mad lol.

I'm literally not mad at all. It means that I am tired of it, not mad about anything. You're really reaching with that one.
Just like what I said, I can also be 'fed up' with trying to talk to you about this. All you're doing at this point is just picking a fight and not even interested in the flip side of things or hearing anything than the sound of your own voice.

So, we can agree to disagree and leave it at that, because it's not going to matter what anyone says to you here.

[TomsYoungerBro]

So, we can agree to disagree and leave it at that, because it's not going to matter what anyone says to you here.

I think we can definitely say the same for you. It doesn't matter in the end if its being "mad" or "tired" or "annoyed" (whatever you want to fill in the blank for your fed up claim), my point was not wearing the crown shouldn't be an issue for you. But like you said, the system of "recognition" is ruined!! Yeah, definitely not mad guys lol.

[Jonsky]

I'm fed up with the random insults that get tossed out just because of it, and I haven't said a word.

It's all personal experience, I've never had any comments/insults thrown my way.

i.e., alternating catching the red and black orbs fighting Lahabrea.

Oh! That's the Crystalis, where you're fighting against Nabriales.

There are veterans that still don't know that in order to stop killing themselves.

Could be that other people are not catching them so they feel like since nobody else will then they have to sacrifice themselves.

This is after the 4th and 5th wipes with half the raid that's not done something before, and after more than just me explaining mechanics, they still refuse to even bother.

Sounds like you should save yourself any further stress and just leave in this situation if you feel like you're being ignored by the party.

Another example, since you want to call this griefing: Not performing the active maneuver timer in The Seat of Sacrifice. If one person doesn't click the timed maneuver, the entire raid fails.

This is false. If you fail the manoeuvre then you personally die. When I was a newbie I would be clicking that circle and it was a struggle to keep that bar filled up so I have to expect that some people will be doing the same. It's better to just spam keyboard keys, basically nullifies the difficulty of them.

Edit:

Source

Well, it would appear my memory failed me. The fact check is appreciated.

Or, balancing the scales in Aglaia, people troll the entire raid to make them fail. Which, by the way is a reportable offense, and people were suspended for that. Yet, that along with tank busters dragged into raids is still a thing happening today because the tank thinks it's funny. That's griefing;

Yes, this is griefing, after the incoming wipe ask whichever party they belong to to initiate a dismissal vote. If it fails then your only proper recourse is to try again or leave.

me not raising someone who does these stunts or isn't contributing at all isn't griefing. It saves me MP to be more productive.

You are griefing by doing this. Regardless of the circumstance, it's lethargic play. Your only proper recourse is to dismiss the problem player, keep trying, or leave.

Instead of the players just telling, "STFU you piece of trash" and "STFU we don't need that git gud lol" and other things just because I am explaining a fight as quickly as possible, they can instead just give a simple, "Hey, can we go in this without help, and we can ask if we get in trouble?" is perfectly acceptable and I've received that ONE TIME in Copied Factory. Nowhere else, no other time. And, I was glad to oblige them.

I understand that your quotes there are more paraphrasing than actual in-the-moment quotes but I would be surprised if others in the duty were not perturbed by those comments. Regarding the "can we go in this without help" quote, I do apologise for probing a bit here, did they say this when you were in the middle of explaining something or was it as soon as the duty started?

And, no to the other poster above you - there were no sounds going off in a macro. It was a quick and simple explanation in a macro designed to be short as possible while giving an overview of events per boss.

The "other poster" has a name, you know.

[weebtext]

Another example, since you want to call this griefing: Not performing the active maneuver timer in The Seat of Sacrifice. If one person doesn't click the timed maneuver, the entire raid fails.

This is false. If you fail the manoeuvre then you personally die. When I was a newbie I would be clicking that circle and it was a struggle to keep that bar filled up so I have to expect that some people will be doing the same. It's better to just spam keyboard keys, basically nullifies the difficulty of them.

Greyhawk is correct, actually.

Source
While inside the rift between worlds, players must perform an Active Time Maneuver to escape their fetters. To succeed, the players have 15 seconds to repeatedly click the button (or press any other button except from chat) and keep their Will of Defiance meter from dropping to 0. Note that the meter becomes easier to replenish when it is lower. So long as there's anything in the meter when the timer reaches zero, you succeed. If any player fails the event, the entire party wipes. If any players are dead when this phase starts, they will still participate and must successfully complete the Active Time Maneuver.

Additionally, that bar pretty much always stays low so you can just mash spacebar.