Concerns Regarding DPS Balance: Physical Ranged, Red Mage, and Summoner

[Reldhir]

No, your comments were specifically trying to make blanket statements about a whole role and the jobs within. As I've been trying to tell you since the beginning, this ain't about lower skill players and accessibility, because your metrics are flawed by sheer prejudice about a role you don't even play by your own admission. I even pointed to way easier jobs found in OTHER dps roles, but you don't seem to care at all because it suddenly demolishes your whole fallacy.

I feel like I'm being gaslit rofl. The exchanges are all there for everyone to see lol. You're so determined to pigeonhole my response to some sort of adversarial position despite my repeated clarifications. I almost feel like I'm being used as a proxy for you to debate your grievances for the perceived wrongs dealt to you and phys ranged.

FYI when I said I didn't play the role, I meant I didn't main it. BUT I have played it casually enough to clear content up to the savage level here and there throughout ff14s existence (I am old) Not enough to say I "play the role" but enough, and successfully enough to know that if my limited IQ can comprehend and perform it to a level high enough to clear at least savage content then that should be a pretty good indicator of its ease of entry. I AM that noob phys ranged.

That's not even mentioning all the new and low skilled friends ive put in the phys ranged spot BECAUSE we've had significantly higher success rates covering for that spot over the others. Yes, I can call them low skilled, they're casual AF they know it, I know it, it's not meant in a derogatory way it's just reality. they're not great at the game but still wanna be included!

AGAIN, not that it seems to matter to you, I'm talking about the skill floor. that first post must have really bruised your ego for you to be so obnoxiously insistent lol just stop. or dont? the conversation is veered way off topic and is no longer productive anyway. I feel like we'll just go around in circles so AGREE TO DISAGREE i spose xD



*forgot to respond to one point even though I'll probably just be told some how that my words are not my words and that I mean something else BUT

You mentioned SMN and VPR being the easier jobs that supposedly "demolish my whole fallacy" I already mentioned smn, not that you seem to have bothered to read it. SMN is admittedly the weak spot to the argument, but that job is the unicorn, it's a caster that doesn't cast! that to me seems more like a flaw of the job itself rather than the intention to balance by role.

ALSO it doesn't address the fact that SMN is graded against the potential of picto (or blm in the past) so it isnt as ideal a ROLE to give up to a new or low performing player, AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN, bringing a low performing phys ranged means losing out a percentage of the highest phys ranged potential, which is lower than a low performing SMN when graded against what they COULD BE, that being picto.

what's the term? opportunity cost?

also, i dont agree with you about viper lol. no way is phys ranged harder than viper. tbf im not saying viper is super difficult either, and of all the melee it could probably fit the lolphys ranged slot as a melee the best. BUT if you wanna play it optimally, you still need to deal with melee specific things. things phys ranged doesnt.

again blah blah blah opportunity cost, melee role is more valuble dps wise than phys ranged, so new players go to phys ranged as theyre easier to compensate for~ not that you will read this anyway

again again again again blah blah not talking about high level phys ranged players being bad, not saying I dont want phys ranged players to have more important roles, not saying you're bad at the game, not saying johnny mc fly is bad at the game, just saying that there are a lot of low skilled players in the game and phys ranged is the easiest role to direct them to hands down. You can still ask for what you want to ask for, I said many times im not anti phys ranged improvement. I was only making a point to offer a different view point... like ive repeated several times...and youve ignored... several times.... im sick. why am I still typing xD

Because you literally jumped on my statement and proceeded to restate the exact same thing. You're the one that chose to turn it into a disagreement. I don't understand why you keep coming back trying to turn the point about melees being designed with more damage output than ranged into a disagreement.

Either way, glad we agree on that one...

Your response is only a page or so back for anyone to see... sigh* anyway yep cool agree to disagree, no wait agree to agree in this case :P yay!