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  1. #3071
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    Quote Originally Posted by CuteBucket View Post
    [Spoilers for the last 2/3rds of Dawntrail]
    "Zenos! Listen to me! I understand you, I really do!"
    Not a single chance in hell for Zenos not to instantaneously obliterate you if you were to do this.
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    Last edited by MoiraTerrwell; 09-25-2024 at 01:53 AM.

  2. #3072
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    A dialogue between Wuk Lamat and Zenos is not something I thought I ever wanted, but now that this idea in my head, I want to see Wuk Lamat despair at Zenos' nihilism :'D
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    RIP Viper 28/06/2024 - 30/07/2024. It was a fun month.

  3. #3073
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovIm View Post
    A dialogue between Wuk Lamat and Zenos is not something I thought I ever wanted, but now that this idea in my head, I want to see Wuk Lamat despair at Zenos' nihilism :'D
    That's something similar to what i had as a thought and I had AI help me.

    Fray:
    "Wuk Lamat? A cheerleader in armor, given more power than she knows what to do with. Do you really think she earned her place, or are you just letting the story sweep you along, hoping for something more? It’s laughable, isn’t it—someone so untested claiming victory over battles they didn’t truly fight. And where does that leave you?"

    "Look at her. No scars, no burden of the past weighing her down—yet she stands at the center while those who’ve bled and suffered stand aside. Tell me, does it not gnaw at you? The feeling of being sidelined while someone else, someone lesser, takes your kill, your moment."

    "But perhaps this is what you wanted all along—a simple, tidy resolution, without the mess of emotion or struggle. So be it. But remember this: no victory worth having is handed to you. And no true hero lets another steal their story."
    Zenos:
    "This... Wuk Lamat... she rules? But does she fight? Does she seek the thrill of battle? No... she is another empty puppet, content with titles and crowns. Her existence is as fleeting and hollow as the rest."

    "If she cannot offer me a challenge, if she cannot push me to the edge of death and beyond, she is of no consequence. Only strength, only the battlefield, holds meaning. If she cannot provide that... then her rule is worthless."
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    Fray: You spineless sack of shite. I kill your enemies. I fetch your things. I do what you people can't or won't do yourselves.
    Fray: You're helpless. Weak. All you do is want and need.
    Fray: I should've left you all to drown in Leviathan's tidal wave. At least then I would've been spared your constant bloody whining.
    Fray: Do not speak to me of this ever again.

  4. #3074
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoiraTerrwell View Post
    "Tell me, does it not gnaw at you? The feeling of being sidelined while someone else, someone lesser, takes your kill, your moment."
    You know, I hate giving points to AI slob, but THAT particular bit hit harder than it should have. Chapeau x)
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    RIP Viper 28/06/2024 - 30/07/2024. It was a fun month.

  5. #3075
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovIm View Post
    A dialogue between Wuk Lamat and Zenos is not something I thought I ever wanted, but now that this idea in my head, I want to see Wuk Lamat despair at Zenos' nihilism :'D
    Yotsuyu and Fordola are other characters that make for fun scenarios to think about. Maybe Ilberd too.
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  6. #3076
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovIm View Post
    You know, I hate giving points to AI slob, but THAT particular bit hit harder than it should have. Chapeau x)
    Why look for AI slop when Zenos himself teased us with an option to accept him at the Royal Menagerie?

    Heh heh...are we to embrace and let bygones be bygones? Do our deeds weigh so little that you would cast all aside? Come. 'Twas plain from the first how this would end.

    You live for these moments - when all hangs in the balance...when the difference between life and death is but a single stroke.

    I live for them too! This is who we are, my friend! This is all we are! Ala Mhigo and Doma and Garlemald be damned! We tower above the gods! You by your gift, I by my might!
    Zenos knows what he wants- what he is, what he's done. He's not deluded by a greater cause or reason. I'd rather have him than the circus I'm surrounded by in DT but I know this is an unpopular opinion.

    That aside, I think Zenos would've ignored Wuk Lamat in SB, or gave her the 'speech' that he gave to uh.. Jullus was it? if it's in EW. Which would've fried her last functioning braincell. She can't comprehend anything but peace and happiness and food existing.
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    Eyestrain thread - https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/501914-Dawntrail-Graphics-Update-Eye-Strain

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoiraTerrwell View Post
    Not a single chance in hell for Zenos not to instantaneously obliterate you if you were to do this.
    He wouldn't think they were remotely worth bothering with and would just leave which would be even worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rueby View Post
    Zenos knows what he wants- what he is, what he's done. He's not deluded by a greater cause or reason. I'd rather have him than the circus I'm surrounded by in DT but I know this is an unpopular opinion.
    Why do you think it would be unpopular. I think there will only me a small subsection who incapable of separate fiction and reality, like how they believe no one has any business liking or simping Emet Setch because it "romanticize genocide".

    Game is entertainment, and entertainment is to entertain. It's not rare for people - if given a choice between a cool villain and a boring heroes, most will prefer the former.
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  9. #3079
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rueby View Post
    Zenos knows what he wants- what he is, what he's done. He's not deluded by a greater cause or reason. I'd rather have him than the circus I'm surrounded by in DT but I know this is an unpopular opinion.
    personally i always say that zenos is like the joker in nolan's dark knight, he is just here to bring chaos and that's it, to me if you like that joker and not zenos, you seriously didn't understand the character. not every villain need a great scheme. at least zenos made us feel vulnerable and was a real threat in SB (litterally kicked WoL a*s twice, we can even add yugiri the second time and sliced y'shtola), all of this by being "just a human" at that time.
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  10. #3080
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    I don't remember where I heard this, but is the main writer of Dawntrail the same one who did the Werlyt storyline?
    Because that's a fact I just can't buy going from one story to the other.
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