After Dawntrails abject Failure of a Story, there need to be serious Consequences

[Kazemon15]

Yeah because non steam players are oh so different, are steam players robots and non steam actually human ? stop trolling

Someone doesnt know statistics, but dont worry I will help you

Statistics :

a fact or piece of data obtained from a study of a large quantity of numerical data.
"the statistics show that the crime rate has increased"

Its my pleasure.

And yes, steam is a big enough size for a sample.

You do know almost like 80-90% of the playerbase use the Launcher and not steam, right...?

[PassinLay]

You do know almost like 80-90% of the playerbase use the Launcher and not steam, right...?

yeah ok you dont know what statistics are

moving on lmao i'm not wasting my time when a person is clueless to this extent

[Kazemon15]

yeah ok you dont know what statistics are

moving on lmao

Yeah you don't know what statistics are. You can't say the numbers are "good enough" when you only accounts to at most 20% of the playerbase.... that's like only looking at the streaming site Tubi to see how popular a show is instead of all of them, like Hulu, Netflix, ect and count them as a whole.

[Alchemii]

You do know almost like 80-90% of the playerbase use the Launcher and not steam, right...?

Pretty sure it's more than that, but even at 80-90% it's still a large enough sample size for statics.

On a side note, it's funny reading through this thread as people try and defend DT. It's like they have no self-awareness, and have completely forgot everything that came before DT.

[Kazemon15]

Pretty sure it's more than that, but even at 80-90% it's still a large enough sample size for statics.

On a side note, it's funny reading through this thread as people try and defend DT. It's like they have no self-awareness, and have completely forgot everything that came before DT.

So what came before DT? Another story you didn't like and is solely based on your opinion? Endwalker, which had the highest rating ever? It seems like you are the one who has no self-awareness.

[Alchemii]

So what came before DT? Another story you didn't like and is solely based on your opinion? Endwalker, which had the highest rating ever? It seems like you are the one who has no self-awareness.

I mean, I didn't have a problem with Endwalker. Could it have been better? Maybe, but not an issue. Endwalker post game was a bit meh, but I saw what they were trying to set up with the Aether transfer between shards to rebalance things. Shadowbringers was really good, with the only annoying parts being the fae. I didn't mind Stormblood, most my issues there were more on the launch problems, story wasn't as good as Heavensward, but it was passible. And yes I have recently replayed the MSQ on an alt, Stormblood is better than Dawntrail. But you don't actually care about that, no your just trying to throw it back in my face cause you don't have an actual argument or defense for Dawntrail. You don't have a defense for the fact that if you put even half a second of thought into what's going on in the Dawntrail story it falls apart, you have no defense for why Garfield suddenly got power boosted and had to be everywhere, and you have absolutely no defense for how all personality of other characters is dropped so they could all be cheerleaders for the worst character SE has ever created.

[Kazemon15]

I mean, I didn't have a problem with Endwalker. Could it have been better? Maybe, but not an issue. Endwalker post game was a bit meh, but I saw what they were trying to set up with the Aether transfer between shards to rebalance things. Shadowbringers was really good, with the only annoying parts being the fae. I didn't mind Stormblood, most my issues there were more on the launch problems, story wasn't as good as Heavensward, but it was passible. And yes I have recently replayed the MSQ on an alt, Stormblood is better than Dawntrail. But you don't actually care about that, no your just trying to throw it back in my face cause you don't have an actual argument or defense for Dawntrail. You don't have a defense for the fact that if you put even half a second of thought into what's going on in the Dawntrail story it falls apart, you have no defense for why Garfield suddenly got power boosted and had to be everywhere, and you have absolutely no defense for how all personality of other characters is dropped so they could all be cheerleaders for the worst character SE has ever created.

Okay, let me put that to the test.

Her power coming from nowhere? Hm... let's see. During her battle with Bakool Ja Ja, she mentioned that she has learned what was important to her and no matter what, those feelings will pull her through. What did we learn in Endwalker? Dynamis is another source of energy, another source of strength, heck the entire second half was about how Dynamis can empower people, and even limit breaks are Dynamis based. What did she use for most of the fight to defeat him? Limit breaks.

You need to put two and two together to figure that out, because they don't hold your hand to explain it to your face, which people have been complaining about by the way, but the moment they don't, it's suddenly "bad storytelling" because they don't. So which is it? Do you need it to be explained, or can you use the past story experiences and think and then apply it to the situation?

The Scions personalities are also just fine. In no way they are "cheerleaders", they are however, emotional support. We had tons of threads saying the scions overstayed their welcome and want new characters...and yet not people are mad they aren't the focus? Wuk Lamat needed to be a less developed in order to develop her in the story, which she was. Yes, her personality (which people find annoying but that isn't a character flaw, some personalities you aren't gonna mesh with) stays the same, but her naiveness and innocence slowly grew overtime, if you paid attention. You need to develop new characters when you introduce them or the story will go nowhere. But no, the scions weren't the focus this time and a new character was the main focus, because she wasn't developed yet...but last expansion, people wanted a new character to see their development and not the scions... ...Please make up your mind.

[honest_psycho]

Okay, let me put that to the test.

Her power coming from nowhere? Hm... let's see. During her battle with Bakool Ja Ja, she mentioned that she has learned what was important to her and no matter what, those feelings will pull her through. What did we learn in Endwalker? Dynamis is another source of energy, another source of strength, heck the entire second half was about how Dynamis can empower people, and even limit breaks are Dynamis based. What did she use for most of the fight to defeat him? Limit breaks.

I hate this "muh dynamis" defense so god damn much.

If it is soooo easy to just use dynamis, when that tears a lot of holes in the previous story.

Like why didn't Haurchefant use tank lb3 to protect from that attack?
Why didn't Yshtola use LB3 to fend of Zenos in rhalgars reach?

Where are so many examples of deaths that can be retconned to "could have been prevented if he just believed more".
I liked Endwalker very much but this Dynamis bs needs to die.

I'll let others explain to you what is wrong with he Scions in DT.

[ZXN]

You know I had an idea of what this thread would be like once I opened it and I am un-surprised to find out it is exactly like I thought it would be even down to the back and forths.

This is going to be a long two years.

[Eyrilona]

You know I had an idea of what this thread would be like once I opened it and I am un-surprised to find out it is exactly like I thought it would be even down to the back and forths.

This is going to be a long two years.

As back and forth argument threads go though, I am rather enjoying this one. We have made it to page seven already without a nasty ad hominem. For this forum, we are doing well!