Either take away the healing powers from tanks or give healers tanking powers.

[Supersnow845]

Just rough and tough estimates, but..

Roughly half the healing is mitigation and the healers should be doing around 40%, (shied healer is doing double the non-shield healer), the tanks about 35% and the DPS combined is the remaining 25% mitigation.

Individually each DPS is doing ~6.25% total mitigation. Depending the toolkit.

Exactly, the problems come from a mismatch of community expectations to what each role should actually be doing, all roles are expected to DPS so all roles have access to DPS, only tanks are expected to tank so only tanks have access to a constant stream of self mitigation, only healers (and to a lesser extent tanks) are expected to mitigate but DPS have mitigation at the healers expense

I said it in a different post but trying to remove responsibility from the healer is ultimately a futile prospect because you’ll never change people’s perception that all mistakes are caused by the healer. Giving DPS half the mitigation didn’t make people go “okay we undermitigated this let’s discuss who is responsible” it just made it so people still blame the healer like they always have but now half the time the healer isn’t even responsible which isn’t remotely fun for the healer

[Sensui]

Exactly, the problems come from a mismatch of community expectations to what each role should actually be doing, all roles are expected to DPS so all roles have access to DPS, only tanks are expected to tank so only tanks have access to a constant stream of self mitigation, only healers (and to a lesser extent tanks) are expected to mitigate but DPS have mitigation at the healers expense

I said it in a different post but trying to remove responsibility from the healer is ultimately a futile prospect because you’ll never change people’s perception that all mistakes are caused by the healer. Giving DPS half the mitigation didn’t make people go “okay we undermitigated this let’s discuss who is responsible” it just made it so people still blame the healer like they always have but now half the time the healer isn’t even responsible which isn’t remotely fun for the healer

Who hurt you?

[Supersnow845]

Honestly why do i even bother

[Sensui]

Also this means.. for the sake of argument, healers are responsible for 70% of the total healing, mitigation and damage absorption from shields (i consider that mitigation but semantics) combined total for both healers both tanks do 17.5% of total combined healing and mitigation and DPS do a whopping 12.5%

This is probably why healers get blamed as they hold a vast majority of the total healing responsibilities.

[Supersnow845]

Also this means.. for the sake of argument, healers are responsible for 70% of the total healing, mitigation and damage absorption from shields (i consider that mitigation but semantics) combined total for both healers both tanks do 17.5% of total combined healing and mitigation and DPS do a whopping 12.5%

This is probably why healers get blamed as they hold a vast majority of the total healing responsibilities.

Literally 3 posts ago you just pointed out that healers only have about 40% of the mitigation responsibility. You can’t heal your way through every mechanic being pass or fail on mitigation

[Sensui]

Literally 3 posts ago you just pointed out that healers only have about 40% of the mitigation responsibility. You can’t heal your way through every mechanic being pass or fail on mitigation

That was only mitigation, which is half the total healing.

Also this is looking only at a fight in its entirety, not individual mechanics.

[Supersnow845]

That was only mitigation, which is half the total healing.

Also this is looking only at a fight in its entirety, not individual mechanics.

Yes and that’s the point, when you have 40% of the mitigation but 100% of the blame for poor mitigation it’s not exactly fun to deal with, nobody wants to be blamed as the healer because the DPS decided they randomly decided they didn’t want to press addle

Savage hasn’t had a proper healing check that doesn’t devolve into stacking (or failing to stack) excessive mitigation since j waves was current content. It’s why nobody complains about Garuda cleanses, because at level 70 the responsibility is actually on the healer to heal, not everyone else to mitigate and it’s balanced as such

[Sensui]

Yes and that’s the point, when you have 40% of the mitigation but 100% of the blame for poor mitigation it’s not exactly fun to deal with, nobody wants to be blamed as the healer because the DPS decided they randomly decided they didn’t want to press addle

Savage hasn’t had a proper healing check that doesn’t devolve into stacking (or failing to stack) excessive mitigation since j waves was current content. It’s why nobody complains about Garuda cleanses, because at level 70 the responsibility is actually on the healer to heal, not everyone else to mitigate and it’s balanced as such

I can only speak for myself when I say I use my mitigations as a DPS.

DPS get blamed when you don't meet a DPS check or use any mits (yes, it's discussed, at least here on Aether)

Tanks get blamed when they get one shot, don't tank swap, position the boss poorly, don't do a count down properly, have a dumb adventure plate, don't use mitigation or have terrible DPS

I mean, I get not wanting to be healer, it's why I don't play it in savage. I've considered jumping into a Learning fresh party on it, but players are salty and kinda turns me off to it.

[Azurarok]

As far as my own experience on Aether goes it's usually tanks/dps overwriting eachother's mits and it being on cooldown by the next raidwide.

I get MT gets first reprisal but is there some common rule for dps?

[Connor]

As far as my own experience on Aether goes it's usually tanks/dps overwriting eachother's mits and it being on cooldown by the next raidwide.

I get MT gets first reprisal but is there some common rule for dps?

In my experience as a Bard, the rule for dps is ‘use all your buffs exactly 1 second after the other Bard so you overwrite every single one of the buffs and waste all their cool downs’ lol…I refuse to believe people aren’t doing it intentionally at this point (to what end I have no idea lol).