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    Split off to second comment, due to the 3000 character limit... why is this even here? Anyway...

    If Zarool was a hybrid of all three clans, it might also explain why he was so powerful. Sure he ultimately lost to Gulool Ja Ja, while not using any performance enhancer, but the old man had multiple decades more combat experience and in that moment far better motivation to win, i.e. saving the nation he built up and protected over his entire life, where Zarool Ja was chasing his own insecurities and potentially battled a bit of guilt deep/reluctance in his own mind for trying to kill his own father. I wonder how a duel between father and son would have ended, if it was just a no-stakes sparring/for-fun match, like Estinien and the WoL had with Gulool Ja Ja.
    He clearly blew Bakool Ja Ja out of the water, in terms of raw power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by No_Nick_Needed View Post
    Split off to second comment, due to the 3000 character limit... why is this even here? Anyway...
    If you hit the limit, just cut all the text, leave a short message saying "editing..." (needs to be 10 characters minimum) and post that, then edit and paste in your actual message.

    Also, while we have a lot of "ools" among the cast, Zoraal Ja is not one of them.

    But anyway.


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    Speaking of children (or rather the single child) of two-heads... I hope we'll also meet, or at least hear about both Zarool Ja's mother and partner. Considering how Wuk Lamat had this Hyur mother figure, I would imagine that Zarool's mother either died before the kitty was adopted into the family, or shortly after, or that Zarool came from a fling, rather than a marriage, with the mother leaving the baby behind and hightailing it, neither of which would exactly have added to Zarool's already strained mental state.
    I find it quite suspect that there's not a single mention of Zoraal Ja's mother, and doubly so when he then has a son with equally little examination of how he came to be.

    The complete lack of mention of his mother – combined with his father supposedly not able to have children in the first place – made me expect there would be a reveal of something more supernatural at work, or maybe Gulool got in contact with "the high-tech civilisation from the trailer" (I was guessing as I made my way through) and Zoraal Ja is a clone or something. I've since seen people theorising that the "key" relic might be wish-granting, so that would be the same result by fantasy rather that sci-fi means.

    The only thing that makes me hesitate is that the general population of Tural doesn't seem to find anything odd about it and you'd think they would ask questions if there didn't seem to be a mother involved in the prince's miraculous birth. Or maybe the gossip is old and both people involved are well-liked (at least in the beginning) and they're just not talking about it any more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    The complete lack of mention of his mother – combined with his father supposedly not able to have children in the first place – made me expect there would be a reveal of something more supernatural at work, or maybe Gulool got in contact with "the high-tech civilisation from the trailer" (I was guessing as I made my way through) and Zoraal Ja is a clone or something. I've since seen people theorising that the "key" relic might be wish-granting, so that would be the same result by fantasy rather that sci-fi means.
    I would prefer if there was something interesting going on with the parentage, but I'm entirely ready for this to fall in line with the trope of mothers simply going unmentioned. Considering how many stories in Dawntrail revolve around parents, we have a surprising number of single parents where a second parent is never mentioned; unless I've missed it, the birth mothers of Zoraal Ja, Gulool Ja, and Wuk Lamat are never mentioned, though we spend a meaningful amount of time with all their birth fathers. Erenville also only has the one parent, but I haven't delved enough into the culture of the Shetona to know whether that's the standard in their culture or not.

    The only pair of parents in Dawntrail that are fleshed out enough to have distinct personalities seem to be the parents of Bakool Ja Ja. And depending on how jaded a particular reader is feeling, one possible explanation to why Bakool Ja Ja was actually written with two parents is because his arc depended upon having both an abusive parent — to result in his fall — and a compassionate parent — to help provide him (and the player) with a new direction. Which is to say, in Dawntrail, prominent characters seem to have one parent unless a second would directly provide narrative utility.

    And it's not like this is new for FF14. There's basically no information on any women in Solus's line. None of the mothers of Count Edmund's sons are present or prominent in the story, nor is Aymeric's mother; we meet all of the heads of the High Houses, but none of their wives. Cid has a dad, Forchenault has a dad, etc. None of which is to say that there aren't families with two parents — as there certainly are — but it's incredibly common for wives and mothers to either barely be mentioned or have no mention at all.
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