Greenlight NA and EU Travel

[shoba]

this isnt about healers or tanks lmaoo

[Zarkovitch]

oh man if they add East Coast servers on NA that would be a easy sure why not type of thing. Idk if its good idea without a mid bridge type of thing. Sure it work but no one would do hard content savage,extremes or ultimates an such with trade of high ping, that be only good for casuals, social and rp players. They can do it, but it a waste without a good trade.

[PassinLay]

I'm so glad the community is proving to always be agaisnt any kind of actual evolution to this game towards a better direction, even people being able to play together on other regions apparently is a problem because "muh aether omg !!! stop players from having fun on aetherrrr !!!!"

jesus christ lmao, I always say that SE is agaisnt good change because they're just being lazy, but man if I had to deal with yall I'd do the same and just give up and leave you with the same thing for 20 years

[Ranaku]

and honestly, we both have similar gaming cultures

I have played two years on NA and the rest of the time on EU. From my own experience i can say this is not true, not at all. The amount of toxicity and sheer insanity i have seen on NA compared to EU is unbelievable. So yeah no, we are good over here on EU. You can keep your people who rush hunts, spam public chats with degenerate stuff, don't let newbies watch cutscenes and are in general a menace to the playerbase. Or as Emet would phrase it "Have your recent quarrels with Asmongold teached you nothing?"

And if we wait on the JP community we can wait until the death of the universe. It's not like they value civility over everything else and NA is the antithesis to that...oh wait...it is exactly that.

[shoba]

I have played two years on NA and the rest of the time on EU. From my own experience i can say this is not true, not at all. The amount of toxicity and sheer insanity i have seen on NA compared to EU is unbelievable. So yeah no, we are good over here on EU. You can keep your people who rush hunts, spam public chats with degenerate stuff, don't let newbies watch cutscenes and are in general a menace to the playerbase. Or as Emet would phrase it "Have your recent quarrels with Asmongold teached you nothing?"

And if we wait on the JP community we can wait until the death of the universe. It's not like they value civility over everything else and NA is the antithesis to that...oh wait...it is exactly that.

You're really looking at things through rose-tinted glasses. Toxicity is like, everywhere lol. Maybe because I'm not a Limsa resident but it's mostly just advertisements when am there or when someone asks something. "Rushed hunts" are mostly if it's a bullet train, ofc people would rush. Not letting people watch cutscenes? This happens but am pretty sure this is just minority, majority of people let newbies watch cutscenes.

Besides, NA and EU servers were and a lot of NA and EU play together in gaming spaces. At least this goes for the English speaking part of EU. When EU does hunts, I doubt NA is even gonna be awake or be willing to travel. Otherwise dynamis trains itself wouldn't be so deadge.

[Ranaku]

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Toxicity is everywhere is such a blanket statement. I save us a speech about why this is problematic, especially irl because we all know how bad the "But XYZ has this and that too" really is.

It is kinda obvious that every region has their own well dirtbags etc. but we aren't talking about that, right? Toxic gamer culture is disproportionately higher on NA than on EU and well obviously on EU than JP.

Again i played on both sides for a extensive amount of time and this was my experience. I actually enjoyed my time on NA too and i have an alt there to play with friends. I know most of it is anecdotal evidence but well we saw what the toxic trolling gamer culture did when a famous streamer played the game. We see how chats on NA are full of spam. And tbh...you are kinda the only region that has turned a whole city into an ERP hub. Like it or not there might be sooooome slight differences in culture cause i don't see that on EU.

In the end i am really torn about this tbh, i personally would love region travel to visit friends with my mainchar. I personally think that the price might just be a bit too high for that.

[Laerune]

I would like to experience the NA ERP scene, yes to this suggestion.

[shoba]

Toxicity is everywhere is such a blanket statement. I save us a speech about why this is problematic, especially irl because we all know how bad the "But XYZ has this and that too" really is.

It is kinda obvious that every region has their own well dirtbags etc. but we aren't talking about that, right? Toxic gamer culture is disproportionately higher on NA than on EU and well obviously on EU than JP.

Again i played on both sides for a extensive amount of time and this was my experience. I actually enjoyed my time on NA too and i have an alt there to play with friends. I know most of it is anecdotal evidence but well we saw what the toxic trolling gamer culture did when a famous streamer played the game. We see how chats on NA are full of spam. And tbh...you are kinda the only region that has turned a whole city into an ERP hub. Like it or not there might be sooooome slight differences in culture cause i don't see that on EU.

In the end i am really torn about this tbh, i personally would love region travel to visit friends with my mainchar. I personally think that the price might just be a bit too high for that.

That's fair enough. I technically didn't play in EU servers and mostly just said from my experience as a non-American IRL and how EU and NA overall interact. Especially since NA region also has a considerable amount of EU players too.

I wasn't there when that streamer was there so I honestly can't comment much on how that was like. I just heard people don't think too fondly of the exodus too.

[Jojoya]

In the end i am really torn about this tbh, i personally would love region travel to visit friends with my mainchar. I personally think that the price might just be a bit too high for that.

What makes you think the resident troublemakers from every region would end up using cross region travel? Ping issues alone would deter most of them if not all.

SE is also more likely to come down hard on cross region trouble makers because they want players to respect how local communities already operate.

The entire purpose of adding data center travel (including the cross region travel that is on hold) was to allow players to play with friends on other data centers/regions, just as you intend to use it. The best thing to do is let it happen and see if there are specific problems created then make corrections to handle those problems.

That's what they've now done with data center travel. After having 18 months to see how players would utilize it, they've now locked down any worlds that are on the Congested status and extended that to worlds experiencing temporary congestion issues. Last night about 7pm Pacific I wanted to go to Primal to buy something and couldn't because all Primal worlds were marked as temporarily congested. I suspect the reverse would have been true if my character was from Primal and trying to get to Crystal.

This shouldn't lead to the massive problems that some are fearing outside of the first week when a lot of players would want to try out the new feature. We saw the same when world visit was added. We saw the same when data center travel was added. Players rushed to try it out and then things settled down when it was reduced to the legitimate traffic. The PF problem did arise with players flocking to a single data center in each region for raids but ping is going to make the same happening cross region unlikely.

[Reinha]

The PF problem did arise with players flocking to a single data center in each region for raids but ping is going to make the same happening cross region unlikely.

People keep saying this but then turn around and say the ping isn't an issue for raiding. Including the OP.

Agree! I guess he's worried about culture clash which imo shouldn't be a problem with EU and NA considering NA and EU already raid together

Honestly high ping gaming is not all that terrible as someone who always plays with high ping, you just have to adjust around it and figure out when snapshots occur. Xenosysvex already raids with an EU group despite being in NA, and of course people from SEA, middle east, and other parts of Asia or Africa already play with high ping and we manage.

For god sake in the world races i know plenty of EU statics with NA players in them and the same goes for NA statics with EU players in them, the game is perfectly adjustable up to around 150-160ping for most jobs

And no harm to EU players, but a good deal of UK and Irish players that i know of mainly play on NA anyway.

But hey if it's apparently so impossible to raid cross region (despite the opposing statements above) then it won't matter if the devs just disable public categories of the PF from voyagers and let the cross region statics sort themselves out in the passworded private category.