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    Looks like FF14 has now become a haven for transphobia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aidorouge View Post
    It doesn't really help that some of the people criticizing Sena for her attitude (and rightly so) *also* feel the need to misgender her or start harping on about trans people in general, which then undermines those criticisms because they can then be accused of transphobia (and rightly so).

    They don't seem to realize that stooping to her level (or going even lower) is only helping to push the idea that there's "only one reason" she's in the hot seat, doubly so when a lot of players don't follow social media and are oblivious to her comments, so they *only* see the attacks on her identity and it paints a completely different picture to the point that even Yoshi-P chimed in.
    I really like how this post has had a perfect example of the person it's describing right above it, actually pretty hilarious

    Edit: they got dunked on by a mod lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by Losado View Post
    Looks like FF14 has now become a haven for transphobia.
    Are we playing the same game? Try saying half of the things people have been saying in these Wuk-related threads in-game and see if you don't get a voluntold vacation from the game and waste your sub. I've seen people get dogpiled for less than what the average person here says. (They aren't hateful or something-phobic, by the way)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aidorouge View Post
    It *does* find ways of creeping in regardless though. When the term filters were announced, you had a sizable number of people /cheering the fact that they could block "LGBT" from chat not because it was a great catch-all for blocking venues (and I say that as a bi guy who absolutely wanted to filter venues from shout in the most effective way possible and added LGBT myself), but because they felt empowered by being able to remove "them" from the game in even the smallest way, and expressed "hope" that it was a sign of things to come that Final Fantasy 14 was becoming "anti-woke".

    Of course, they all immediately turned into frothing masses when the next gender unlocked shop outfit was announced (the prince and princess ones I think?), but still, there *is* an undercurrent of bigotry in the game's overall community even if they're quiet about it in-game, and they'll just use other means to express it like the forums for example.
    We are entitled to blocking whatever terms we see fit. I got tired of seeing "LGBT" etc. in shout chats when people would run by shilling for their FCs and "venues" so best believe I have the term "LGBT" and a few other variants filtered. Any other "bigoted" opinions are also things players are entitled to. I'd be pretty reluctant to say that it's a haven for "transphobia" and saying any undercurrent didn't result from people being dogpiled for having polite disagreements about this sort of thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Losado View Post
    Looks like FF14 has now become a haven for transphobia.
    Pfft. Get away from here with that histrionic nonsense. 99.9% of players do not visit the forums, and the vast majority of people complaining about Wuk Lamat and her voice actor couldn't care less about her being trans. If you think a couple people commenting on a video game forum thread being butts means the whole place is a "haven for transphobia," you are living in a fantasy horror show of your own making.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Folsom View Post
    Pfft. Get away from here with that histrionic nonsense. 99.9% of players do not visit the forums, and the vast majority of people complaining about Wuk Lamat and her voice actor couldn't care less about her being trans. If you think a couple people commenting on a video game forum thread being butts means the whole place is a "haven for transphobia," you are living in a fantasy horror show of your own making.
    I feel the same way. I hate Graha Tia, with a passion, but that doesn't make me a homophobe. And if it does that would be weird anyway since I am super gay. But even in the lgbtq community it's difficult to criticise something that involves a trans person because you are immediately accused of being a transphobe. It's really frustrating for those of us who have been on the front lines of movements and activism for decades, with many close friends and sometimes family members who are trans, to suddenly be called a transphobe by some, usually straight usually cis, person for not liking a project that involves someone who is trans. While there is transphobia going on here, it's by a minority of ppl talking about her performance.

    Sena is just a horrible person and while Yoshida was in the right to say no one should attack her, I think SE needs to put her in check. However, I have seen this many times, and as someone who uses her identity as a shield (to the detriment of her whole community) I am sure she would try to start some sort of campaign against SE. Because she is one of those ppl who cannot take criticism, knows their talent is iffy, is lacking in personal agency and uses every metaphoric weapon in their arsenal they can to feel powerful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus View Post
    I feel the same way. I hate Graha Tia, with a passion, but that doesn't make me a homophobe. And if it does that would be weird anyway since I am super gay. But even in the lgbtq community it's difficult to criticise something that involves a trans person because you are immediately accused of being a transphobe. It's really frustrating for those of us who have been on the front lines of movements and activism for decades, with many close friends and sometimes family members who are trans, to suddenly be called a transphobe by some, usually straight usually cis, person for not liking a project that involves someone who is trans. While there is transphobia going on here, it's by a minority of ppl talking about her performance.

    Sena is just a horrible person and while Yoshida was in the right to say no one should attack her, I think SE needs to put her in check. However, I have seen this many times, and as someone who uses her identity as a shield (to the detriment of her whole community) I am sure she would try to start some sort of campaign against SE. Because she is one of those ppl who cannot take criticism, knows their talent is iffy, is lacking in personal agency and uses every metaphoric weapon in their arsenal they can to feel powerful.
    I mean, you're at least respecting her pronouns, which is more than some of the posters in this thread. So thank you for that.

    You can dislike a person and still give them that base level of humanity. You can think someone is a terrible voice actor and still call them by their chosen name. And even if you don't hate Wuk Lamat's character, or recognize that many of the flaws in DT's English acting this go round were due to bad voice direction more than anything else, you can still think the VA is being unreasonable on Xitter and block her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catwho View Post
    I mean, you're at least respecting her pronouns, which is more than some of the posters in this thread. So thank you for that.

    You can dislike a person and still give them that base level of humanity. You can think someone is a terrible voice actor and still call them by their chosen name. And even if you don't hate Wuk Lamat's character, or recognize that many of the flaws in DT's English acting this go round were due to bad voice direction more than anything else, you can still think the VA is being unreasonable on Xitter and block her.
    Oh my soyence.
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