Ninja and Bloodbath

[mallleable]

Bunshin can boost the effectiveness of Bloodbath when paired. Funny thing is that they repurposed Meisui to be a self/targeted heal in PVP so there is an avenue of defensive Ninjutsus to explore.

[Equitable_Remedy]

then you start crying that the jobs are homogenized

This is correct.

[Lyth]

Role actions are there to standardize a given role, so their entire point is to provide a homogeneous benefit to all jobs in that role. The distinction between physical and magical attacks is purely an aesthetic choice anyways, especially given that most jobs don't use MP.

[wereotter]

Viper has no other Defensive Utility, Ninja has atleast Shapeshift which is huge. So if everything works for Ninja too with Bloodbath then i expect go get a defensive Tool as Viper.

Shadeshift also already has the longest defensive cooldown for all the melee DPS, tied with Riddle of Earth on monk, but without the party-wide heal that monk has attached to its defensive.

Ninja has possibly the worst self mitigation as a result.

It's honestly kind of dumb when you see Reaper with only 30 second cooldown on its defensive and samurai with 15 seconds, but ninja has to wait 2 minutes for its defensive to come off cooldown. They could cut that in half and it still wouldn't be balanced to the others.

Bunshin can boost the effectiveness of Bloodbath when paired. Funny thing is that they repurposed Meisui to be a self/targeted heal in PVP so there is an avenue of defensive Ninjutsus to explore.

While true, times you need to use bloodbath don't nessecarily align with 90 second cooldown on bunshin.

[TheGrimace]

This is correct.

Why do you think this?

[TheGrimace]

Now that 7.1 is out, I would like to bring attention to the plight of Bloodbath once more.

The recent changes to Ninja are very nice and I am thrilled to see the changes made to Ten Chi Jin. Unfortunately Bloodbath still does not work on half of Ninja's abilities, a fact woefully made all-the-more-apparent by my recent forays with the Monk Job.

We still need Bloodbath to work with Ninjutsu and other magical abilities, CS3. Please make it so.

[TheGrimace]

Heya, folks. It's been a year and I would like to bring this issue to the forefront once more.

Please improve Bloodbath, Creative Studio III.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Can only agree here, considering they even went back and made the PvP version of Bloodbath interact with all damage types when it was physical-only prior.

With NIN having a significant portion of its damage be MAGIC damage (unaspected/elemental), this puts an unncessarily huge hinder to survivability that most melees do not have (minus a few actions from Reaper... please fix).

Please make Bloodbath heal on any damage type.

[Carighan]

I mean at this point "damage type" should mostly be removed as-is, for all classes, and re-implementated as something that genuinely adds flavor (it kinda does on DRK, but that's it), instead of being a weird vestigial leftover from days long gone.

[Kelg]

Just make bloodbath work on all damage, there's no reason it shouldn't. Making bloodbath work fully on ninja isn't going to make ninja broken or something.