I'm Frustrated with FFXIV's New Direction

[CamuiKushi]

Was anyone upset that Estinien got the final blow on Nidhogg in The Aery? I wasn't - that was exactly what I wanted to happen. I didn't need anymore accolades at that point. Estinien had worked his whole life for that moment.

This is an incredibly crucial point that I think the Wuk Lamat defenders keep forgetting: we've been a side character before. This isn't a new thing. Other people have had the limelight and not copped anywhere near as much flak as Wuk Lamat.

It's how she's written that's the problem, not that she's the protagonist of the expansion.

[Daralii]

This is an incredibly crucial point that I think the Wuk Lamat defenders keep forgetting: we've been a side character before. This isn't a new thing. Other people have had the limelight and not copped anywhere near as much flak as Wuk Lamat.

It's how she's written that's the problem, not that she's the protagonist of the expansion.

Our presence didn't feel completely pointless for HW, especially before the Aery got revised and we had to protect Estinien while he used the eye to weaken Nidhogg. It felt pointless for very large swathes of DT, both in story and gameplay.

[ovIm]

This is an incredibly crucial point that I think the Wuk Lamat defenders keep forgetting: we've been a side character before. This isn't a new thing. Other people have had the limelight and not copped anywhere near as much flak as Wuk Lamat.

It's how she's written that's the problem, not that she's the protagonist of the expansion.

In regards to the Queen Eternal fight however, things are a bit different.
During the Aery, we storm it together with Estinien, and are very much on equal footing here. Also, the Aery is a mid expansion leveling dungeon, not the grand final fight.

Before the Queen Eternal fight, Queen Eternal kicks out WL and Krile, stating that we are the most dangerous thing and that we need to be exterminated. Only for us to be overwhelmed and saved by WL? This feels like blatant "Wuk Lamat Mary Sue-ism" by the writers, even accompanied with that dreadful debuff how she is inspiring you, and with WL doing so much more damage than the rest of the party.

Personally, I don't think Wuk Lamat is a bad character overall. She just suffers from the bad writing (like pretty much most of the cast on this expansion) that, in this case, constantly puts her on a pedestal, to the detriment of other characters, that has created a lot of resentment.

[Carin-Eri]

In regards to the Queen Eternal fight however, things are a bit different.
During the Aery, we storm it together with Estinien, and are very much on equal footing here. Also, the Aery is a mid expansion leveling dungeon, not the grand final fight.

Before the Queen Eternal fight, Queen Eternal kicks out WL and Krile, stating that we are the most dangerous thing and that we need to be exterminated. Only for us to be overwhelmed and saved by WL? This feels like blatant "Wuk Lamat Mary Sue-ism" by the writers, even accompanied with that dreadful debuff how she is inspiring you, and with WL doing so much more damage than the rest of the party.

Personally, I don't think Wuk Lamat is a bad character overall. She just suffers from the bad writing (like pretty much most of the cast on this expansion) that, in this case, constantly puts her on a pedestal, to the detriment of other characters, that has created a lot of resentment.

Agreed - whilst I'd tolerated her throughout the story, this moment irritated me no end.

There is absolutely NO point in having the big bad say "You are the single greatest threat" if you're going to completely contradict that by dumping a completely unnecessary 'rescue' scene on us.
It felt like they were trying to pull a Zenos (when he appeared to assist us to battle Endsinger) but didn't quite understand why it worked in that scenario.

[Mondschnee]

It felt like they were trying to pull a Zenos (when he appeared to assist us to battle Endsigner) but didn't quite understand why it worked in that scenario.

^^^
I felt this during Dawntrail a lot.
They kept referencing beloved moments/characters from previous expansion without understanding why these moments worked in the first place, making these moments feel cheap. I didn't like that at all.

Yoshi-P said before Endwalker was released that they didn't want to try and make a second Shadowbringers, they wanted to try and make Endwalker its own.
Where was that ambition in Dawntrail?

[honest_psycho]

This is an incredibly crucial point that I think the Wuk Lamat defenders keep forgetting: we've been a side character before. This isn't a new thing. Other people have had the limelight and not copped anywhere near as much flak as Wuk Lamat.

It's how she's written that's the problem, not that she's the protagonist of the expansion.

Not only do some of them forget, some of them deliberately ignore these facts and sidestep that arguments with essays about what Wuk Lamat's story-arc is supposed to be, implying we are all idiots.

This begs the question of WHY they defend this MSQ so much. It can't be just 'bad taste'.