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  1. #21
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    “It is really not that they are trying to bring forward an argument about a certain movement or anything like that."
    Sigh. There were transphobic attacks directed towards her, sure, but most of what I've seen has been directed squarely at her:
    1. Performance
    2. Toxic online behaviour

    Sweeping everything under the transphobia rug is very disingenuous and disappointing. I'm gay too and I hate the fact that we must always be over-protected by some people. That inevitably just agitates other people towards us.
    Can't we just be treated like we are normal, everyday people too?

    I get it, he's asking for his employees not to be personally attacked, of course. But why does Yoshi have to bring up "a certain movement" (also, wtf, "movement"?????)? Why does the article focus on her gender identity and not the horrible things she openly says? Sigh.

    The more I've been following the recent interview, the more disappointed I get..
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  2. #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willemdarke View Post
    Sigh. There were transphobic attacks directed towards her, sure, but most of what I've seen has been directed squarely at her:
    1. Performance
    2. Toxic online behaviour

    Sweeping everything under the transphobia rug is very disingenuous and disappointing. I'm gay too and I hate the fact that we must always be over-protected by some people. That inevitably just agitates other people towards us.
    Can't we just be treated like we are normal, everyday people too?

    I get it, he's asking for his employees not to be personally attacked, of course. But why does Yoshi have to bring up "a certain movement" (also, wtf, "movement"?????)? Why does the article focus on her gender identity and not the horrible things she openly says? Sigh.

    The more I've been following the recent interview, the more disappointed I get..
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyxs View Post
    He spouts toxic things against straight men,straight women and actual women saying they dont deserve jobs so no.


    Deserves to be canceled and jobless.

    Literally the post above yours.
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  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Literally the post above yours.
    There were transphobic attacks directed towards her
    Uhm...you can read right? Or do you only see black/white?
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  4. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rueby View Post
    Uhm...you can read right? Or do you only see black/white?
    The post I quoted says they exist but tries to use a "but it's really not that many, most are directed at them because of other reasons"

    There's a lot of thinly veiled attacks, and some not so thinly veiled ones. Acting like most of the hate is coming at her for these other reasons is somewhat disingenuous.

    Also, the poster says he's gay so he gets it, but the right is trying to deny trans people even exist, not that's it's immoral or anti-christian. They don't exist.
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    Last edited by Valkyrie_Lenneth; 09-04-2024 at 03:40 AM.

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    He should tell their community members to not attack us as well when they were here in the forums.
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  6. #26
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    Why is she allowed to make personal attacks against other people if we're not allowed to do the same?





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    Last edited by caffe_macchiato; 09-04-2024 at 03:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caffe_macchiato View Post
    Why is she allowed to make personal attacks against other people if we're not allowed to do the same?



    Clearly she's that way because people keep ""harassing"" her and she's totally a great person herself

    /s
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  8. #28
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    This statement definitely sounds like it was SPECIFICALLY talking about Sena and most likely Kate as well, but Yoshi couldn't name drop of course so he just made it a blanket statement with "Voice actors and localization team" and hoping we'd get the context and the implications.

    I know it's BAFFLING to hear this being said on the modern internet: But Death Threats and harassment are never okay.

    You can dislike Sena for the tweets they have sent out and viewpoints they have, but once you start constantly saying a bunch of abhorrent things to them and telling them they really need to "Kurt Cobain Themselves" [Look it up yourselves] and then saying you'll be happy if/when they do, then you've taken your dislike of someone way too far. This also extends to the other VA's of Wuk Lamat as well. Yes, Sena's voice acting of Wuk Lamat was...not good, but French/German/Japanese all did the best they could with what they were given, so also sending them harassment and death threats is pathetic, doubly so if they are getting said harassment and threats simply because of the stuff Sena has tweeted out and some players just decided to go "One Wuk bad, so ALL Wuk's bad." It definitely is not really fair to the other Voice Actresses of Wuk Lamat to get treated poorly by players just because of Sena's actions and words.

    Yes there are absolutely people who are harassing because they are indeed Transphobic or Misogynistic and should be clowned on for it. At the same time, some players reducing any and ALL feedback someone might have about Wuk Lamat to "You're only saying this because you MUST be misogynistic/transphobic" are also not helping anything by trying to generalize people and make feedback suddenly "disappear by owning the bigots." People genuinely dislike Wuk Lamat and not everything has to have an alternative agenda behind it.

    The issue ultimately lies with Dawntrail's story and how Wuk Lamat was written. Even if they got rid of Sena for another English VA, or changed all of Wuk's VAs across all languages: No amount of good Voice Acting is going to suddenly make a shit story less shit, it just makes it more tolerable to sit through and digest.
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    Dawntrail did you dirty girl, it did you dirty.

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    She kinda does it to herself with her incredibly toxic attacks on other people on twitter.
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  10. #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Also, the poster says he's gay so he gets it, but the right is trying to deny trans people even exist, not that's it's immoral or anti-christian. They don't exist.
    For some reason I don't believe an incendiary person using sexist and racist talking points (except directed towards the "other" side) should be used as a poster girl for the LGBTQ community, or the political left.

    But that's just me.
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