Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Coratanni]

I managed to bring myself to do more MSQ yesterday and uh...I'm not sure if something is ~lost in translation~ but this came off as really rude? Also, this also confirms that all there is to her is 'I'm hungry'....Which honestly is awful.



Who speaks to and about their father like that (even adopted). Does she consider the head of resolve/reason to be separate entities? Or something? Or is 'being a ruler' 'going for the throne' actually getting to her head...?

She didn't come in worried about her father's wellbeing- or ours, but simply....she couldn't get to finish 'eating' because her 'father' is acting up. I'd expect this maybe from the man's really old disgruntled wife who is tired of his shit but is maybe concerned for his 'health' or something not from his daughter.

This is wild because I was starting to kinda settle into 'ehhh it's manageable I can somewhat tolerate it' then she actually went ahead and full on ruined it- as she usually does.
Prior to this she was moaning about how she's 'selfish' for wrangling the goldsmith to her cause, and honestly? I think she should. I guess the writing wanted me to go like 'aww no don't say that' but it truly is backfiring..

I don't know, I kinda fell asleep again later after Koana started malding hard at his sister being kidnapped while I'm standing here like 'I feel bad but also glad I could breathe'.

Also, Wuk Evu is a horrible character, existing to exposition dump nothing more...

Hanu tradition? Wuk Evu knows it all.
Golden City? Wuk Evu knows it all.
I wonder what's next?

At this rate I feel like I'm going to slip into a coma by the end of the MSQ. I can't even think or be excited about the golden city because it's all about Wuk Lamat, if I could rewind time, I'd pluck Emet out of the aetherial sea and ask him what the hell?

I was PISSED when she interrupted our talks with the Dawnservant after our duel. You're not the only one who noticed that. A spoiled, princess of a brat acts like that to their parents. I was ready to just log off for the night after that scene.

[DiscoDuck]

When I do drag my alt through this Mary Sue fanfic slogfest this will be what echoes in her head whenever the little spoiled mary sue princess shows up. Where I'm at on my main I been feeling this for a long time... (I'm Arby and my bf is Chief)

[Astronis]

I also find it odd how readily everyone accepts Gulool Ja as the new King? of Solution 9...

Yes Zarool Ja picked him/gave him authority. But Zarool Ja is also the king who murdered his own citizens, and he was only given the position of King because he made a deal with Sphene to get her the souls she needed. He did not deliver on that promise, he failed to get her the souls (he had the opportunity, attacked and got 50, but then let his pride get in the way and stopped. I assume as she planned to move through all the shards and source 50 was not enough), and as mentioned he then went and killed her people. Why exactly is everyone so happy with honouring the last wishes of someone who has proven by failing his end of the bargain and killing people that he is unfit to rule.

Because he's Wuk Lamats brother? And they want to try and soften her killing him by being able to abide by his last wishes and play happy families with what seems fairly certain to be a clone of him?

Why do the people of Solution 9, who seemed to have no part in Zarool Ja attacking Tural and no idea what Sphenes end goal was, have no say in their own future and instead have to abide by the choices of the false king who slaughtered them? Why weren't they given a chance to gather together and figure out what they want to do next themselves in terms of government and a new ruler that Gulool Ja could pass on the authority to.

Everyone was not happy about it. That's something called out directly by Erenville. That said, Alexandria's government is a computerized monarchy. Zoraal Ja essentially passed Alexandrian admin rights to Gulool Ja; unless Gulool Ja passes them to someone else, they are his. No one can take them, and no matter how unhappy anyone is, he's the king. He's got root access to Alexandria. It's got not a thing to do with honoring anyone's last wishes. I am positive this is something that will come up in the patches, since it's called out loud and clear that the Alexandrians aren't terribly pleased with the current situation. Wuk Lamat derping her way into annexing Alexandria as a protectorate is very badly begging for follow-up. It HAS to bite her in the ass.

[Striker44]

Because we colonized them.

The computer system that runs their bunker recognizes him as king and he has complete control of their robot army. So what are they gonna do? Ask nicely? Auntie Wuk would tell him to say no, don't transfer control of the army to these people cause they are planted right in the middle of my nation of happiness and peace. She's literally already told him that.

And it's not that they didn't object. It's that they have no recourse. What are they gonna do? Attempt to kill a kid protected by the system that runs the building they all live in AND the nephew of king and queen of a nation that defeated them in a single afternoon?

I find it difficult to think of it as "colonization" when Alexandria appeared right in the middle of Tural and, albeit unintentionally, effectively took over part of Tuliyollal's territory. All that's really happened is their "invasion" was thwarted. If anything, they would be directly subject to Tuliyollal's rule being in the middle of their territory.

[Gaddes]

Everyone was not happy about it. That's something called out directly by Erenville. That said, Alexandria's government is a computerized monarchy. Zoraal Ja essentially passed Alexandrian admin rights to Gulool Ja; unless Gulool Ja passes them to someone else, they are his. No one can take them, and no matter how unhappy anyone is, he's the king. He's got root access to Alexandria. It's got not a thing to do with honoring anyone's last wishes. I am positive this is something that will come up in the patches, since it's called out loud and clear that the Alexandrians aren't terribly pleased with the current situation. Wuk Lamat derping her way into annexing Alexandria as a protectorate is very badly begging for follow-up. It HAS to bite her in the ass.

Yeah I raised an eyebrow at Erenville's narration at the end that the Everkeep system was still up and running for all the Alexandrians and they're still walking around with those ipods on the sides of their heads. Guaranteed shit is going to go down when they inevitably have to shut that down... remember the doofus we come across in MSQ that can't afford to buy more spare souls (I dunno what kind of klutz he is to be dying so often) and freaking out about it? That's going to be almost EVERYONE in that society when they're told they won't get infinite lives anymore. I really doubt Wuk Lamat's "love and peace" declarations are just going to smooth that over, nor should it.

This all loosely reminds me of Ishgard and how it was realistic in how HW and post HW handled it. It was not just some smooth transition to a new way of life for people that had only known one way for centuries. There was discord, rebellion, and much more effort that had to go into finding ways to compromise and get people onboard with a newer, better way of doing things. Hell, we still saw a lot of that as recently as the caster role quest in Endwalker. Ishgard has come a very long way, but it's still an evolving process. But I think the key there is that Aymeric was on top of it. Aymeric is basically what Wuk Lamat wishes she was: he started as a idealist, and in many ways still is, but he was tempered and guided by a good understanding of what he's up against, sometimes as lessons learned when he was initially naive about how he could change things. It's not enough to preach love and peace and let's all eat tacos; he gets that people's fears need to be appeased with realistic solutions, and that not everyone will always just automatically be on board with what he proposes, and sometimes he has to lay the smack down when a bad faith element comes in. It's always a challenge, and he knows he needs to rise to meet those challenges... to the point that he's practically chained to his desk trying to get the government/people/etc all aligned and working together, and not just running off and playing adventurer.

That's one thing that genuinely frustrated me about Wuk Lamat's presentation... she literally repeats the exact same "I want my people to live in happiness and peace" line so many times, but never does she actually follow up with concrete ideas of how she is planning to do any of that, so it ends up sounding like her goal has no substance at all. It's like a small child that says "let's be the best of friends forever!" Every time that came up, the first thing I saw in my mind was Aymeric and how his path to "happiness and peace" lay in complete reworking of government, practices, social structures and actual steps to changing the people's way of life to facilitate something like that. I was also insulted when she initially tried to get me to stay in Tuliyollal with her, and then she played it off like just a request. Like... lady, I'm not the one that wanted to be a ruler, you were. I'm not going to be used as someone's crutch like that (I guess ultimately poor Koana gets that spot). It came across as so childish to me; I really wish I could've given some stern or upset answer at her request.

... as an aside, I find it weird/funny that the whole quest about those tacos that supposedly served to bring two peoples together was entirely disingenuous... was that intended by the writers? I don't know if it was supposed to be?
It wasn't the tacos that stopped the Mamool Ja and Hrothgar from fighting; it was literally Galool Ja Ja fearmongering both sides that another smarter, more technologically savvy people from across the sea could come over and destroy/conquer them utterly that scared them into allying together and ceasing hostilities. The tacos were just the food they had afterwards. Let's not pretend that the fear of a third enemy wasn't the real thing to bring them together.

[Papayatar]

I managed to bring myself to do more MSQ yesterday and uh...I'm not sure if something is ~lost in translation~ but this came off as really rude? Also, this also confirms that all there is to her is 'I'm hungry'....Which honestly is awful.



Who speaks to and about their father like that (even adopted). Does she consider the head of resolve/reason to be separate entities? Or something? Or is 'being a ruler' 'going for the throne' actually getting to her head...?

She didn't come in worried about her father's wellbeing- or ours, but simply....she couldn't get to finish 'eating' because her 'father' is acting up. I'd expect this maybe from the man's really old disgruntled wife who is tired of his shit but is maybe concerned for his 'health' or something not from his daughter.

This is wild because I was starting to kinda settle into 'ehhh it's manageable I can somewhat tolerate it' then she actually went ahead and full on ruined it- as she usually does.
Prior to this she was moaning about how she's 'selfish' for wrangling the goldsmith to her cause, and honestly? I think she should. I guess the writing wanted me to go like 'aww no don't say that' but it truly is backfiring..

It kinda makes me think of the character you see in anime/manga who’s hot-headed or boisterous and talks back to their parents/guardians, to compare our Orange cat to another Orange cat, kinda like Kyo from Fruits Basket. Or maybe like Tomo from Tomo-chan is a girl. Especially since I think in Japanese Wuk has more tomboyish way of speaking(I think?).

But it attempting to showcase that side of her at that moment, or really just her showing up there was just weird AF. For me I was like, well damn if you’re so hungry why did you even bust in here to chastise your dad? When we popped in on dad vs Estinien it was established he just be fighting people sometimes. She should have 1000% expected it, eaten her dinner, and come harass us about it at the Inn later.

Also it’s off because there’s no banter with it. Usually that kind of thing is played off with other characters but (if my memory is correct) Lizard dad just kinda rolls with it and is like, anyway WoL keep looking out for her.

It really felt like a, you haven’t seen Wuk Lamat in 2 min time to suddenly inject her in the story just in case your memory is on par with a goldfish.

[fulminating]

... as an aside, I find it weird/funny that the whole quest about those tacos that supposedly served to bring two peoples together was entirely disingenuous... was that intended by the writers? I don't know if it was supposed to be?
It wasn't the tacos that stopped the Mamool Ja and Hrothgar from fighting; it was literally Galool Ja Ja fearmongering both sides that another smarter, more technologically savvy people from across the sea could come over and destroy/conquer them utterly that scared them into allying together and ceasing hostilities. The tacos were just the food they had afterwards. Let's not pretend that the fear of a third enemy wasn't the real thing to bring them together.

I think getting to one man army the pair of them would have made for a fairly fun combat instance. More so than baby’s first warrior - I also thought dynamis explicitly sucked on hydaelyn, I don’t really understand how she got so many buffs there. Or we could have used memories of zenos/solus with our own magic porridge pot to show the first promise just how much of a normal fish in a small pond he really is. Maybe having that as the event to tip him over the edge rather than whatever was really going on in his head, have him going off the deep end in alexandria be directly traceable to the player removing the scales from his eyes. Or add Zenos as a new guy in the crowded room at is the wol’s head, he’d get right along with frey and maybe ardbert and middy, probably not mist though.

Presumably the implication is meant to be that zararl ja believes he is truly stronger than the garleans - iirc there's some dialogue that flat out states it. Having him get flattened by the prime garool jaja who in turn is effortlessly defeated might have made his power by any means arc less absurd, even if the grumpy mamool ja guy doesn't allow it as passing the trial. Just a bit more groundwork, so there's dramatic irony with the player knowing their character's actions are only creating a big problem there - the Commisioner Dreyfus to the wol's Clouseau.

edit: it's also really weird we never got to ask about the circumstances of zarlal ja's birth; we've seen plenty of blue hobos before both just before amon in circus tower and in eureka orthos around the 61-70 set. Is he an allagan chimera with the associated mental instabilities? Is it a convergent creation? Surely it's pretty reckless to not mention it to at least gajool jaja.

[BabySneed]

edit: it's also really weird we never got to ask about the circumstances of zarlal ja's birth; we've seen plenty of blue hobos before both just before amon in circus tower and in eureka orthos around the 61-70 set. Is he an allagan chimera with the associated mental instabilities? Is it a convergent creation? Surely it's pretty reckless to not mention it to at least gajool jaja.

I think the writers just forgot that blue hoobigos existed in the game before Dawntrail and that there are others besides Zoraal Ja and thus never addressed it

[ZXN]

edit: it's also really weird we never got to ask about the circumstances of zarlal ja's birth; we've seen plenty of blue hobos before both just before amon in circus tower and in eureka orthos around the 61-70 set. Is he an allagan chimera with the associated mental instabilities? Is it a convergent creation? Surely it's pretty reckless to not mention it to at least gajool jaja.

I think the writers just forgot that blue hoobigos existed in the game before Dawntrail and that there are others besides Zoraal Ja and thus never addressed it

Oh, those weren't Blue Hoobigos though. Those were Blue Ogiboohs. TOTALLY different from the hoobigos we know and it's a common mistake to make. Yoshi-P told me this info himself through AOL's AIM service so it's true.

[EchoingPulse]

When I do drag my alt through this Mary Sue fanfic slogfest this will be what echoes in her head whenever the little spoiled mary sue princess shows up. Where I'm at on my main I been feeling this for a long time... (I'm Arby and my bf is Chief)

I've dragged two alts through the MSQ with full-on skips, and it was still a slog. I have three more to go. I wish we had a Story Skip for Dawntrail.

Yes, I wouldn't say I like the MSQ that much. I would much rather play through all of a Realm Reborn again.