Dawntrail normal content is NOT hard. Stop whining

[LibitIncarne]

I do want to stress, though, that as I said before, while savage IS more difficult to clear, it's not because the execution of the mechanics is any more difficult. It's a combination of less obvious telegraphs and less forgiving punishment.

Name 1 time where Limit Cuts show up in normal content. (Normal Content, of course, meaning Dungeons, Normal Trials, Normal Raids, Alliance Raids, Variant Dungeons, FATEs, Hunt Marks, the DF-able parts of Deep Dungeons, Eureka (but not BA), and Save The Queen content (but not Duels or DRS.).)
Name 1 time where Proteans show up and are unavoidable in normal content.
Name 1 time where anything even remotely close to Hello World shows up in normal content.

Saying that execution of mechanics isn't any more difficult is a blatant lie.

[Zakuyia]

Name 1 time where Limit Cuts show up in normal content. (Normal Content, of course, meaning Dungeons, Normal Trials, Normal Raids, Alliance Raids, Variant Dungeons, FATEs, Hunt Marks, the DF-able parts of Deep Dungeons, Eureka (but not BA), and Save The Queen content (but not Duels or DRS.).)
Name 1 time where Proteans show up and are unavoidable in normal content.
Name 1 time where anything even remotely close to Hello World shows up in normal content.

Saying that execution of mechanics isn't any more difficult is a blatant lie.

There are dungeons raids and trials that have fair share of tricky mechanics. Take queens eternal protocol phase, or the Vanguard second boss attacks that can get chaotic, no one saying normal mode is savage difficult. But the difficulty in normal is good and healthy, just savage is whole nother beast. Hell I would joke to say sometimes the ex and savage versions are easier than the normal fights.

[LibitIncarne]

Take queens eternal protocol phase, or the Vanguard second boss attacks

Ah yes. Something that gives you LB3 immediately after it so that as long as one healer survived, nothing matters.
And literally just Once on Rokojo from Mount Rokkon.

sometimes the ex and savage versions are easier than the normal fights.

Due to the lack of an item level sync in the EX versions, of course Zodiark EX is going to be easier than Zodiark Normal.

[Zakuyia]

Ah yes. Something that gives you LB3 immediately after it so that as long as one healer survived, nothing matters.
And literally just Once on Rokojo from Mount Rokkon.



Due to the lack of an item level sync in the EX versions, of course Zodiark EX is going to be easier than Zodiark Normal.

I mean i find savage version of honey b lovely to actually be easier than the normal version way more fun. Item sync duh anyone would agree but i never said item unsync meaning ur cherry picking to make ur less than successful point important. Normal content in DT is overall easy. Yet take zoraal ja ex vs his normal fight. His EX is way easier than normal fight and way better.

[LibitIncarne]

et take zoraal ja ex vs his normal fight. His EX is way easier than normal fight and way better.

The fight with stricter positioning, much less telegraphs for its attacks, Eden Titan-style spreads and knockbacks, Projection of Triumph/Turmoil, and a triple hit tankbuster that necessitates an invuln or double tankswap with no item level sync allowing for players with 20 or more IL above the minimum to use their full strength-
Is easier than the version that has none of that but has slightly more line stack aoes and an IL sync of 12 above the IL it's balanced to, except because of the fact that you don't have access to the lv99 armor until after already clearing this and most people don't stay up to date on their gear while doing the msq/levelling so you often end up with people who are still in full IL660 gear.

Ok.

[Banggugyangu]

The fight with stricter positioning, much less telegraphs for its attacks, Eden Titan-style spreads and knockbacks, Projection of Triumph/Turmoil, and a triple hit tankbuster that necessitates an invuln or double tankswap with no item level sync allowing for players with 20 or more IL above the minimum to use their full strength-
Is easier than the version that has none of that but has slightly more line stack aoes and an IL sync of 12 above the IL it's balanced to, except because of the fact that you don't have access to the lv99 armor until after already clearing this and most people don't stay up to date on their gear while doing the msq/levelling so you often end up with people who are still in full IL660 gear.

Ok.

This is a pretty good example of where I believe you're misunderstanding my point I made earlier. Those mechanics you listed off. Individually they are by no means any more difficult to execute than any of the normal mechanics. Also, iLVL is a moot point, as the fights are all totally clearable on minimum iLVL. The speed at which you clear has no bearing on how easy it is to resolve mechanics. My statement earlier wasn't that the FIGHTS when taken as a whole aren't harder than their normal counterparts, but the individual mechanics don't ask anything more of players than any normal mechanics. This is the indisputable fact. You aren't expected to react faster or do anything special for savage/ex mechanics. You just may have a harder time learning them due to less obvious telegraphs, and multiple of those mechanics may be stacked on top of one another. This is the reason why players often find the savage versions of fights easier than their normal counterparts after progging. You become intimately familiar with the particular dance in savage, and it's arguable that the savage version of fights is more strictly scripted than the normal version. Once you learn the savage mechanics, since they're not any more demanding to actually execute, the hard part is over and the fight becomes trivial. Take Eden 10, for example. While progging took my static a while, once we progged it, I quickly got to a point where I wouldn't fail a single mechanic. Put me in normal, however, and I die repeatedly. This is partly because I was expecting savage mechanics and the normal behaved slightly differently, but still, the savage became easier to me after I progged. That doesn't mean the fight itself is easier, but it's perceived easier.

[Banggugyangu]

Name 1 time where Limit Cuts show up in normal content. (Normal Content, of course, meaning Dungeons, Normal Trials, Normal Raids, Alliance Raids, Variant Dungeons, FATEs, Hunt Marks, the DF-able parts of Deep Dungeons, Eureka (but not BA), and Save The Queen content (but not Duels or DRS.).)
Name 1 time where Proteans show up and are unavoidable in normal content.
Name 1 time where anything even remotely close to Hello World shows up in normal content.

Saying that execution of mechanics isn't any more difficult is a blatant lie.

Name one instance where literally ANY of those mechanics require a faster response time or a more demanding execution than normal outside of stacking of multiple mechanics.... I'm not saying that there aren't new mechanics in savage vs other content. I'm saying that the DEMAND that savage mechanics place on the player really isn't any different. Once you know the mechanics, the reaction time required to execute those mechanics is roughly the same as the reaction time required to execute normal mechanics... this... is undeniably true.... Heck.. every instance of limit cuts in savage gives you almost 10 seconds at minimum to position yourself and ample time to maneuver mid-mechanic if your strat requires swapping.... Execution difficulty isn't based on whether the mechanics show up, if they're avoidable, or if they are telegraphed. Execution difficulty is 100% based on "What is expected of me to successfully execute this mechanic?"

[Wolf_Necros]

Cool just came here to give out my input just to be gaslight I don't like that the difficulty is bad. I hate this expansion wasn't given anytime to learn anything because of speed running. I don't even want to touch the new content because I just get harassed for anything I do. I actively think this community is toxic as fuck and learning means being screamed at for every tiny thing I get wrong.

[Banggugyangu]

Cool just came here to give out my input just to be gaslight I don't like that the difficulty is bad. I hate this expansion wasn't given anytime to learn anything because of speed running. I don't even want to touch the new content because I just get harassed for anything I do. I actively think this community is toxic as fuck and learning means being screamed at for every tiny thing I get wrong.

You're making a claim that is simply false. No mechanic in the game requires split second reactions, whether ultimate, savage, or normal difficulty. Hyperbole is never going to result in a favorable response. If you're having to react to a split-second telegraph, then you simply are not paying attention to the boss or your surroundings. The actual telegraphs are happening long before the ground marker shows up. This issue is self-made. If you want to give an example of one of these mechanics you're struggling with, like someone else asked, we can help you understand it, but don't expect pity when you make a hyperbolic claim that is flat out false.

[Wolf_Necros]

You're making a claim that is simply false. No mechanic in the game requires split second reactions, whether ultimate, savage, or normal difficulty. Hyperbole is never going to result in a favorable response. If you're having to react to a split-second telegraph, then you simply are not paying attention to the boss or your surroundings. The actual telegraphs are happening long before the ground marker shows up. This issue is self-made. If you want to give an example of one of these mechanics you're struggling with, like someone else asked, we can help you understand it, but don't expect pity when you make a hyperbolic claim that is flat out false.

This is MY experience piss off