Yoshi-P tells PC Gamer that he is "not shocked" by mixed DT reception

[Turtledeluxe]

DT has a very strong theme IMO (it’s probably the strongest representation of legacy in the game even more so than elpis and the ancients) it’s just it’s done in such a “make it understandable for 4 year olds” way that it brings it down

Seriously nobody could develop the theme in a more detailed and pronounced way than “remember on a rock good, remember as endless bad”

But there's hours of time where you're not dealing with legacy. Sometimes you are dealing with learning cultures (doesn't count as legacy just because you're learning about historical customs either), sometimes you're in Shaalooni, sometimes you're solving racism in 5 minutes. Just because legacy is explored at some points with a hammer doesn't mean all 40 hours effectively tie into it.

I'd also argue that I'm unsure how you took "legacy" from the final zone. Final zone was juggling regret, parenthood, family, what living is. Once again just because Endless are from the past, does not mean the theme of legacy was properly explored there.

[OMGJesuis66]

But there's hours of time where you're not dealing with legacy. Sometimes you are dealing with learning cultures (doesn't count as legacy just because you're learning about historical customs either), sometimes you're in Shaalooni, sometimes you're solving racism in 5 minutes. Just because legacy is explored at some points with a hammer doesn't mean all 40 hours effectively tie into it.

I'd also argue that I'm unsure how you took "legacy" from the final zone. Final zone was juggling regret, parenthood, family, what living is. Once again just because Endless are from the past, does not mean the theme of legacy was properly explored there.

Literally, all you quoted is Legacy. Legacy stands for the long-lasting impact of particular events, actions, etc. that took place in the past, or in a person’s life.
Learning about cultures and historical customs is the legacy left from previous generations to the newest ones, even more so as the newest ones are ignorant to those. The racism is a subproduct of a legacy. Parenthood, family, and what legacies they leave for their kids.
Living X Death and the legacy left by those who passed. They approached several facets of the theme legacy, it's literally stamped on everything and every single arc. Even Zoraal Ja's motivation of 'the young forgot the dread of war' is a product of a legacy of peace.

It is /everywhere/.

[gumas]

honestly i think the main problem in DT (aside from the brown cat) is that everything went by too fast.

we get problem after problem but we finish it all in a matter of minutes, if it me i would lessen the "trial" to 3, remove the "banana leaf", the festival and either the goblin or the alpaca (make as side quest), focus more on the serious part which is the mamook, the giant (bird) and either the goblin or the alpaca. the alpaca/goblin represent the "easy sun shine and rainbow step" of the trial, the giant bird and the mamook get the highlight to point the seriousness of the story

like for real, the giant bird conclude waaay to fast, it suppose to be a lethal threat but we just defeat it just like that with power of friendship, it suppose to beat us to show the reality fact that wuk friendship is everything is complete bs and sometime strong power is needed yadayada (maybe the giant bird left after we beat it and appear somewhere later etc)

and again in mamook village it should open wuk eyes wide and open that not everything can be solved by taco or "just trust me dude" conversation

even long time winner athlete didnt win with perfect score, wuk story suppose to be up and down like roller coaster, thats how we feel the excitement, a roller coaster that goes straight and nothing else like how wuk solved everything with perfect score is not how you bring enjoyable ride

whoever write wuk lamat clearly has either strong simp feeling or self insert (or hate wol and think wuk should be the main character) so much that he want wuk as the embodiment of perfect character with no flaw, but in reality it just make her boring, alphinaud was labelled as boring character until he got his wake up call during his "create my own company" arc, after that people start liking him and even more after his sibling spice up the company

wuk lamat has... no one, her companion should be erenville and us but instead of dancing along with us, she dance alone and outshine everyone else, the world didnt orbit around her, she just move on her own and use everyone else as stepping stone and discard them in the end and the worst part? we all happy with it, we just the yes man for her

imagine you play 5 v 5 in a match, and one person in your team has aimbot and can tele instantly to the opponent and kill them all in a matter of second, what so enjoyable about that? you either leave, or hate the person, or just ride along with it (the yes man, in this case we wol and everyone choose this option)

[ZXN]

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This was kind of why I hated Endwalker. Just the fact that everything was kind of presented as "WOW LOOK AT WHERE YOU ARE! WHOA DID X-THING JUST HAPPEN?!?!.....alright it's done, move on" and then we just...move on and that's that. I hated Endwalker and the story more because they decided to "rush" everything, and essentially shove a whole expansion worth of potential stuff into JUST 6.0. Then they proceeded to do the same thing with the post-patch story and turn the void, which absolutely could've/SHOULD'VE been it's own expansion give huge it's been to the game since 2.0, into a condensed speedrun of FF4's core villains and reduced the story to "Just another typical Tuesday for us scions as we teach people friendship is the ultimate power" as we punch a god and then all is fine and well and we move on and the void has been "fixed" just like that.

They essentially did "quantity over quality" with Dawntrail and just tried to shove as much into one "story" as possible and made every story beat resolve as fast as possible to get you moving right on to the next because of it. As a result: nothing really had time to "cook" because by the time you even start to digest what you've been given, the story tells you to move on already to the next course and to stop thinking about what you just ate. They put so much time into pushing the "contest for the throne as you look for the city of gold" as the plot during the keynotes...and it was completely finished after 3 zones. Then it suddenly shifts from "Help this annoying cat win her contest for her nation's throne" to "Help this annoying cat stop a robot girl from another shard from genociding the entire world." The writers essentially wrote two COMPLETELY different stories for their fursona OC MC to god-mode her way through and then had to find someway to shove them together to make it all work, and that's what Dawntrail was; some amalgamation of two completely separate stories shoved into one and forced to make "work" when they should've just been two separate stories.

I'm really just hoping the post-patch story isn't going to be the same quality as the 7.0 MSQ, because if it is...
It's gonna be a loooooong 2 years.

[NanaWiloh]

You do know DT has 39% positive reviews for recent reviews on steam right ? And 57% overall?

You can keep coping bud.

That's not as massive as you think it is, only 4,067 reviews on steam for DT a rain drop comparison too FF14's player base. Only 3,846 came from players who purchased DT off steam at the time of this post. Its been said time and time again Steam is a small sample not even %1 of the games player base.

[Mnemy]

link to the article:
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/final-...no-not-really/

from the article:

"This being a game, it's a form of entertainment, and you'll always see some form of mixed response to entertainment," Yoshi-P begins, "A second factor is that with Endwalker, we reached a big climax to a long-standing, spanning story. To a certain extent I had already predicted that we would have some sort of mixed response this time.

"So If the question is whether I was shocked in a big way, the answer is no, not really."

"We depicted Wuk Lamat as someone who had a bit of a complex towards her parents and also towards her siblings, and because of that lack of confidence, I think that also contributed to the slow pace and the feeling of frustration.

"If we had maybe portrayed her as more of a confident character, maybe we would not have encountered that kind of situation. So in that regard, I feel that we did something quite bad for Wuk Lamat as a character. And taking on this experience, it made me realise that it's important to consider those things when it comes to showcasing the character to the players."

Mr. Yoshida ur new writer is shit and is treating the people like they're 10 yrs old with the way the story is written. Thats it. God. Im gonna brace myself for more WL in the patches then. Or maybe its time for me to start skipping cutscenes. I managed to resist the dark urge during the main MSQ but with the way he is speaking here, I'm quite losing hope LOL.

[Voidmage]

That's not as massive as you think it is, only 4,067 reviews on steam for DT a rain drop comparison too FF14's player base. Only 3,846 came from players who purchased DT off steam at the time of this post. Its been said time and time again Steam is a small sample not even %1 of the games player base.

It’s still a valid sample size, more than enough even. It doesn’t matter that steam is just a small percentage of players. That’s how samples work.
Other sides also give a mixed review for the most part.

I don’t understand that opinion tbh.
People were praising the user scores and reviews of Shb and EW but as soon as it is not so great it doesn’t matter anymore.
Same as the popularity poll where some tried to spin it as not so important or wrong.

Thousands of reviews that ALSO include positive 10/10 and deleted negative reviews are more than enough to get to a conclusion and steam even needs you to have the game. It is probably the most fair score plattform we have.

Measurement systems for Industrial machines are green light with far less samples once 50 and once 25x2b(not the same I know but just to give an example).
Where do we draw the line for user ratings to be acceptable?

DT had a mixed reception that is fact and even Yoshida is saying as much.

[Shibi]

YoshiP can't throw his staff under the bus and blame their bad writing for where we're at in the story. It's not good for morale and would just make him look bad to all his staff. There's no way he's this genuinely ignorant on why Wuk Lamat failed. I guess he's instead choosing one thing that won't cause any blame to be thrown on his writing teams ineptitude.

I feel that we did something quite bad for Wuk Lamat as a character.

I'd kill to see the Japanese of the interview

Edit ok... かなり悪いことをした is pretty strong.

ですから、その点では私たちはウクラマトというキャラクターに対してかなり悪いことをしたと感じています。

Which I translate in context as (Therefore, in this regard, we feel that we did something quite bad for Wuk Lamat as a character.)

"There were story developments that could have been relegated to side quests. If someone wanted to know more about those, they could have played side quests at their own leisure and enjoyed them at their own pace."

(This is from the 2chan transcription)

A lot of Poochie was little more than a side quest.

Same, I have 2 weeks left on my sub and won't be returning unless there's a major shake up. Yoshi-P's response isn't even PR talk, it's just completely tone deaf...

My subscription-runout is about 2 weeks too.

[Zaniel]

That's not as massive as you think it is, only 4,067 reviews on steam for DT a rain drop comparison too FF14's player base. Only 3,846 came from players who purchased DT off steam at the time of this post. Its been said time and time again Steam is a small sample not even %1 of the games player base.

Except 4k reviews is almost double the recommended sample size, go and play with a stats simulator.

[Turtledeluxe]

Literally, all you quoted is Legacy. Legacy stands for the long-lasting impact of particular events, actions, etc. that took place in the past, or in a person’s life.
Learning about cultures and historical customs is the legacy left from previous generations to the newest ones, even more so as the newest ones are ignorant to those. The racism is a subproduct of a legacy. Parenthood, family, and what legacies they leave for their kids.
Living X Death and the legacy left by those who passed. They approached several facets of the theme legacy, it's literally stamped on everything and every single arc. Even Zoraal Ja's motivation of 'the young forgot the dread of war' is a product of a legacy of peace.

It is /everywhere/.

That's not how exploring themes works. This is like saying the game properly explored biology because all the characters can breathe. Just because something is from the past does not mean legacy was explored.

Lots of things are *everywhere*. Colors, the English language, water. Is the story saying anything about those things? No it is not. That is not how storytelling works. You do not simply write whatever and claim you properly explored the subject. To be clear, characters may reference legacy-- its not like it isn't mentioned at all, it's just lip service as originally said. Surface level. Whatever you want to call it. By your logic, all life is about legacy constabtly because every moment of every day things are drifting into the past and by thinking about it or writing about it you are inherently exploring legacy. Everything is a product of legacy because it happened due to some other event that preceeded it. That's redundant, as redundant as DT.

I also didn't say the story didn't have a theme. I said it's composed of many disjointed subplots that result in something less impactful than it normally would be.