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    Quote Originally Posted by Chasingstars View Post
    It will probably take us a few expansions to have one anywhere remotely close to shadowbringers in quality. More likely we will have stormblood or heavensward quality.
    I consider DT to be well below ARR, HW, and SB. It has all the pacing issues ARR did but does not build toward anything, the worldbuilding and lore are all incredibly one dimensional, the character writing is abysmal, and there is no tension. We haven't even moved on from the previous arc since everything still seems to tie back to Amaurot and the Ascians.
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    Can someone post that cute "slam door on Wuk's face" gif? I really like that one.
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    My god this amount of PR speech hurts me.

    The main issue was that Wuk Lamat was almost always the centerpiece of every quest in the MSQ, to the point of pushing other characters away, not that she was not confident.
    Here is hoping some more reviews somehow get that point across to him...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovIm View Post
    My god this amount of PR speech hurts me.

    The main issue was that Wuk Lamat was almost always the centerpiece of every quest in the MSQ, to the point of pushing other characters away, not that she was not confident.
    Here is hoping some more reviews somehow get that point across to him...
    No, clearly the only problem is that she didn't realize how perfect she was. Just look at the perfectly balanced screen time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ovIm View Post
    My god this amount of PR speech hurts me.

    The main issue was that Wuk Lamat was almost always the centerpiece of every quest in the MSQ, to the point of pushing other characters away, not that she was not confident.
    Here is hoping some more reviews somehow get that point across to him...
    Devil's advocate: it can be read as "we were not confident enough in Wuk Lamat's story and did not commit enough to her development and were too cautious, which did not work."

    Basically an acknowledgement they were too reserved and cautious as writers/creators with elements, not volume.

    It's still very middling but depending on the source language may be viable.
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    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/508832

    For all your Localizer shenanigans.

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    PC Gamer: "So...Yoshida-san we wanted to talk to you about the elephant in the room. Wuk-"

    Yoshi P:

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZephyrMenodora View Post
    Can someone post that cute "slam door on Wuk's face" gif? I really like that one.
    https://imgur.com/i2lzDPK
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBoom550 View Post
    Devil's advocate: it can be read as "we were not confident enough in Wuk Lamat's story and did not commit enough to her development and were too cautious, which did not work."

    Basically an acknowledgement they were too reserved and cautious as writers/creators with elements, not volume.

    It's still very middling but depending on the source language may be viable.
    Thats not a bad way of looking at things, yeah.

    Another way to look at that is Yoshi-P is trying to somehow deflect the question, not wanting to publicly criticize the author team. He is a PR guy, after all, and throwing his own team under the bus could negatively affect both morale and his reputation.

    We shall see how they handle patches, I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBoom550 View Post
    Devil's advocate: it can be read as "we were not confident enough in Wuk Lamat's story and did not commit enough to her development and were too cautious, which did not work."

    Basically an acknowledgement they were too reserved and cautious as writers/creators with elements, not volume.

    It's still very middling but depending on the source language may be viable.
    Yea this is an entirely viable interpretation given the language differences. "More confident character," could have meant, 'write the character with more confidence'. The whole thing reads to me like Yoshi totally got the hint and is acknowledging that they didn't handle Wuk Lamat well. Which they didn't. She's a perfectly fine character, and almost certainly wouldn't have pissed people off as much if she were presented to us differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovIm View Post
    Thats not a bad way of looking at things, yeah.

    Another way to look at that is Yoshi-P is trying to somehow deflect the question, not wanting to publicly criticize the author team. He is a PR guy, after all, and throwing his own team under the bus could negatively affect both morale and his reputation.

    We shall see how they handle patches, I guess.
    Yeah, he's not going to throw his team under the bus. Reading between the lines he's aclnowledged there is a problem, but he has to frame it as 'we all sought to do X' rather than saying the 'writers failed to do Y'

    What's explicit is that he's acknowledged Wuk did not work for a sizable chunk of the playerbase. We'll know what they've actually taken from that with the next story content patches to some degree, but no 'meaty' changes until earliest 7.3
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    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/508832

    For all your Localizer shenanigans.

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