Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Kennar]

To be honest, this isn't completely unreasonable.

- If Koana sent someone who is able to travel the Aetheryte network there is barely any travel time at all.
- We know Dragons can fly pretty fast - and high. In fact Midgarsormr flew through space to get to the Source, so fair to assume Vrtra could've flown across from a very high altitude.
- Vrtra owed us one after all that business in the 13th

Full disclosure, I was pretty well checked out by that point and I don't recall if it was ever said who negotiated the alliance with Vrta. Could have been Alphinaud, maybe? Was he not with us? I can't think of too many other people who would be able to teleport between Tural and Radz-at-Han. Estinien would have been an excellent choice, but he was away on vacation.

Still though, I found the scene just as cheap and contrived as when the Domans showed up at exactly the right time to help the Ala Mhigans at the end of SB. It would would have worked better if there was some leadup to it. Perhaps we should have seen Koana sending representatives to all the major nations to petition them for help; watched him anxiously waiting for news, and when when all hope seemed lost, Vrtra arrives. It's an old story, but it works.

[TaleraRistain]

Full disclosure, I was pretty well checked out by that point and I don't recall if it was ever said who negotiated the alliance with Vrta. Could have been Alphinaud, maybe? Was he not with us? I can't think of too many other people who would be able to teleport between Tural and Radz-at-Han. Estinien would have been an excellent choice, but he was away on vacation.

He was there, though, so I would have been happy with a "Meanwhile..." type scene that had Koana, Thancred, and Urianger discussing what to do and then you see a boot and a familiar voice go "I may be able to assist with that" cause you know Estinien would be like "Hey little bestie, can you come help" and Vrtra would take off immediately. So they wouldn't even need an alliance.

[Striker44]

I have seen many people proposed that we should have Koana accompanying us in the second arc and I think I agree. It would get Wuk Lamat away from us for a while and so more room to flesh out other characters. Both Koana and Zoraal Ja are characters with potential, but they squandered it with literally not actually giving them any substance. We are told their character traits and then that's more or less it.

I don't see how Koana being the one to go with us would've made sense, though. The whole purpose of going inside the dome is to fight Zoraal Ja on his home turf. Wuk Lumat is the warrior of the duo; it makes sense for her to be the one going to fight. Koana is the thinker of the duo and familiar with the innovations he's brought to Tuliyollal; it makes sense for him to be the one organizing the defense. I just can't see a viable plot reason for them to swap roles there.

Koana SHOULD'VE been the one to go with us in the 2nd half. He could've went to Shaaloani to see that the Dustwatch he set up has corruption issues, see the issues that his train may have inadvertently caused to some of the locals and the local wildlife as a result, and maybe gotten some more backstory on him the nomadic family that just left him.

Same as above. At the time we're going to Shaaloani, both Wuk Lumat and Koana just became the Dawnservants of Resolve and Reason. Koana needs to be in Tuliyollal at that point, just like how Wuk Lumat (who follows us literally everywhere else) isn't with us for that part of the journey.

Koana changed the most during the rite, going from someone who pretty much didn't give a damn about his nation's culture and only about Sharlayan innovation, to someone who gradually understands it's importance and why it's not a hindrance. Meanwhile Wuk barely changed at all and solved pretty much everything in her path with peace and happiness and friendship, both during and after the rite. She was always pushed as "The Perfect Ruler" ultimately and Koana just existed to enforce that by giving up right at the finish line to declare she was the only one fit to rule.

What? Wuk Lumat started the journey as someone with no self-confidence whatsoever and didn't think she brought anything to the table, then steadily learned how her empathy is actually a valuable characteristic, that there are people you can trust and be vulnerable with rather than just showing false bravado, and ultimately that she can be (part of) a capable leadership team. Koana and Wuk Lumat were basically opposite sides of the coin; one started over-confident and thinking he knew everything, the other started without confidence and thinking she knew nothing. He learned there's things he didn't know and that other people could make important contributions; she learned she had something essential to contribute.

[Ashpd]

Add to point - instead of Koana made alliance with Vrtra, maybe show Ragnarok arrival, with some fireworks from cannons? Think more logical to contact already expirienced Sharlayan and + into bag of Koana loving tech's

[Arrogantia]

I still don't understand how, as the WOL, we not only accept to do political mercenarism in a country we do not EVEN KNOW, we also follow Wuk Lamat around and somehow think to ourself "yeah, let's make her queen she is so capable".

It's so frustrating. No one, not even Alphinaud, sees anything wrong with us meddling with Tural's politic. Nobody points out that, maybe, the apex human of our world (the WOL) should not intervene in the rite of succession. Nobody thinks that it's a disproportionate intrusion in Tural's affairs.

Writing politic is hard, but not that hard come on.

[Raven2014]

I still don't understand how, as the WOL, we not only accept to do political mercenarism in a country we do not EVEN KNOW, we also follow Wuk Lamat around and somehow think to ourself "yeah, let's make her queen she is so capable".

It's so frustrating. No one, not even Alphinaud, sees anything wrong with us meddling with Tural's politic. Nobody points out that, maybe, the apex human of our world (the WOL) should not intervene in the rite of succession. Nobody thinks that it's a disproportionate intrusion in Tural's affairs.

Writing politic is hard, but not that hard come on.

Especially jarring when you consider the fact that at the end of 6.0, the Scion is so self-aware of their influence that they impose a self-banned so that they don't inadvertently effect nation's politic.

Yet ironically, and idiotically in DT I think we have the most direct involvement in playing kingmaker then we ever did comparing to all other expansion.

Just another point to show that the new writing team did a horrible job in maintaining consistency in the story, like it's almost they don't care.

[Arrogantia]

Especially jarring when you consider the fact that at the end of 6.0, the Scion is so self-aware of their influence that they impose a self-banned so that they don't inadvertently effect nation's politic.

Yet ironically, and idiotically in DT I think we have the most direct involvement in playing kingmaker then we ever did comparing to all other expansion.

Just another point to show that the new writing team did a horrible job in maintaining consistency in the story, like it's almost they don't care.

Louder for the people in the back

[gumas]

"we should disband the scion, it become to dangerous, people might use us to further their personal goal"

*literally join a bandwagon princess to make her the queen of the country*

"but we are not scion nope nope, we dont have any influence whatsoever" lol

[SableHahma]

TBH I have a lot less issue with the "installing their ruler" in itself. I mean Alexandria wants to genocide the Source, it's good we put them under supervision. Sorry not sorry.

But why does Wuk Lamat get to decide who we should install just by herself? And she chose a kid that she just adopted which basically means she gets to rule by proxy? At the very least consult with Koana first?

I just have to step in on this one. For all of the many many reasons I have issue with the DT story, and this scene in particular this one is just not a problem. Wuk Lamat is the leader of Tural, and she spearheaded the expedition into Alexandria, and helped liberate the kingdom from Zoraal Ja's Tyranny, and killed Sphene. The Scions on the other hand have immense political clout back in the old world, but in the world world especially Alexandria which is from another shard, our words don't hold much weight. As leader of a neighboring nation she's really the only one with the authority. It isn't even that crazy of an idea. Stuff like this did happen in real life.

[DiscoDuck]

Good god...

Just won the lvl 95 solo duty by doing absolutely nothing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGtY1aPrOMQ

This is worse than participation trophies...this is pathetic....now to see if a duty support with Mary Sue can be won by doing absolutely nothing. Regardless of the results I'll just do dungeons with real people to get thru faster.

Quoting myself to say that yes, I was able to win the 95 Dungeon doing nothing but dodge...Is this how bad AAA "modern audience" games and "remade for the modern audience" are now? There should be penalties for doing things like this like if you do not engage and attack the target the npcs get weakened and if one dies you have to start all over again. If its truly this bad then it might not be the danger hair localizers and "modern audience" that end the game but a second video game crash cause people are getting sick and tired of having games get made for people who ether don't play it or in this game's case treat it like a Second Life/VR chat erp session with some Final Fantasy flavor.

Maybe if enough people complain maybe just maybe DT will cause a second 1.0 -> ARR and DT can get rewritten without the Mary Sue and "forgetting" previous parts of the story. I like the music outside of Disney Resort and Smile, the exploration and looks of the areas are good, the fights are good, the nods to other FF titles is good but get rid of all this handholding, babies first video game, cater to the people who hate the company and want to warp it into what they want then abandon it or infect then leave an empty husk of what it was. And if that makes the people who treat this game like Second Life/VR Chat mad so be it. Gatekeeping works.