Yoshi P - Your next live letter, DT msq and the damage to the brand

[Corlia]

honestly I found the MSQ a total snooze festival and I wound up skipping most of the cut scenes with Wuk. Plus what story was actually there for the scions? it felt so broken and shoe horned into the main story any time you met with them.

it felt like this

WoL Wuk
Wuk WoL
Wuk scions
What are you doing here this is MY story.
WoL get me out of here please Yshtola!

[Jokerz_93]

I’d invite to see this video.
It has been brought up to me from a friend and i think it has good starting points for where to start writing feedbacks which can defined as such.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=020X...51gA6iGGUmTq9e

And a personal note on the side: even if I understand why someone would want “to fire” who’s responsible (in this case the creative team for the narrative), I want to remind that
1) Firing does not resolve the problem and in general compnaies tends to avoid firing their employees.
2) In general there’s the need of an approval by the supervisor before something can be delivered. I’d be more mad with whoever thought and approved the story than with the ones who wrote it.

[Voidmage]

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I apologize if that may sound harsh or disrespectful but that’s not a good take.
You are cherry-picking different things to fit a narrative.

First you are comparing post on a forum with posts on a video game soundtrack.
YouTube has by far a larger audience than the forum or Reddit by default.

Even those who hate DT say that the music is good me included and many give praise where praise is due.
So the music videos are the wrong approach.
Also you exclude posts under videos about the story or content creators.
Those posts are dependent on the video itself normally.
A critical cc has more critical posts about the story and a cc with a positive opinion has more with a positive attitude as well.
I didn’t do math here but all in all it seems that the amount of critical cc is higher and there are more comments with more negative stances.
YouTube is quite “territorial” with people watching those with a similar opinion.


Let’s also look at the Japanese forum because it is known over there as being extremely positive of the game normally.
I linked that thread multiple times already and I am on mobile so apologies for not doing it again.

Positive comments range at like ratio of about 20 some at around 30.
Negative comments range around 100 some even approaching the 200.
That’s a regularly over all pages.
It also seems to be the fastest growing thread over there.

On page 108 you can find a post that says the following:

“ However, I got the impression that a considerable proportion of those who wrote positive opinions said things like "There are some things in the scenario that bother me." It seems that there are very few people who praise it without reservation.”

So even in Japan the general opinion seems to be not positive or mixed. No one knows what is the majority here though.

Reddit as well:
The main sub is extremely positive normally with a heavy base of downvoting negative opinions. That’s why the discussion sub exists over there and the F***youfridays thread where everyone is allowed to just go nuts to let off steam.
Even the main sub is majority negative with negative posts getting heavy upvotes and positive posts or threads getting only a few if any.

Granted I only speak of what I saw but so do you.
Your findings do not prove that the majority liked DT just that the people generally like the music.

Many (also including me) with a negative opinion also say that the groundwork itself was good and that the storyboard would have worked but that the executing is the problem.

That’s all from me.
I’m tired of always repeating the same thing over and over again.


On topic:
With the Japanese side being so negative about the points I also didn’t like (WoL sidelined, childish storytelling) and the big content creators like Preach reviewing DT as mixed I am hopeful for the future.
The only thing I am fearful off right now is the localization with all I have read also with localizing of other works (I fear they will force the Lamati thing on us).
I actually think of switching to German to be on the safe side even though I prefer English and am normally a big fan of the voice acting in English.

[Achereon]

Looking at the Metacritic User scores for all the Online Final Fantasy we have:
FFXI = 7.4; FFXIV: 1.0 - 4.0; ARR - 7.7; HW - 8.7; SB - 8.9; ShB - 9.1; EW - 8.7 and DT - 6.0

SE really will need to address this it is not 1.0 damage but it is super close

[Shinku_Tachi]

SE really will need to address this it is not 1.0 damage but it is super close

You don't know what you're talking about.
The fact that you can comfortably type that says it all.
So, respectfully.

[royox]

I'm 99% sure the MSQ would have been received a bit more positively if there was more gameplay on it. More gameplay than "go here to speak to WL, go there to keep speaking with WL, come back to the first point to speak with WL, talk to this NPC about WL, come back to WL and tell her what the NPC said..." lemme press combat buttons! Throw me into a LOT of Solo duties with my WoL and the scions. Make it like a real FF not just the visual novel part. This is FIRST a videogame and the only times the MSQ made me do things was in 4 dungeons and 3 trials...that's like 2 hours of total gameplay in a 40h MSQ. Ridiculous.

[Achereon]

You don't know what you're talking about.
The fact that you can comfortably type that says it all.
So, respectfully.

this is not comfortable typing nor me not knowing what I am talking about but what i am seeing:

the fact that people believe this game has been a massive success when the contrary is there
the fact that we all know SE is not at the best place currently as they lost 150 million USD for just the 2023-2024 Financial year.
the fact that since 2021 aside from EW they had numerous failed titles where a lot of money was sunk into.
the fact that SE stocks has fell by 27% in the last 6 months
the fact that there was mass lay offs

so, my question is do you think SE will just ignore a game that has since its restructuring not once had such a division in reviews leaving it to go unnoticed, they might not address it physically, but I am certain they will do something about it companies can only last so long if games they produce keep failing.

it is sad to write, and I don't want to ever see a repeat of what happened prior to 1.0 I also do not wish it upon anyone but just looking at what is seen on the internet going through numerous articles; videos; comments; financial records one can see SE needed DT to be a massive success.

[Aldath]

I'm 99% sure the MSQ would have been received a bit more positively if there was more gameplay on it. More gameplay than "go here to speak to WL, go there to keep speaking with WL, come back to the first point to speak with WL, talk to this NPC about WL, come back to WL and tell her what the NPC said..." lemme press combat buttons! Throw me into a LOT of Solo duties with my WoL and the scions. Make it like a real FF not just the visual novel part. This is FIRST a videogame and the only times the MSQ made me do things was in 4 dungeons and 3 trials...that's like 2 hours of total gameplay in a 40h MSQ. Ridiculous.

I think there's plenty of people who are growing tired of the narrative style of FFXIV, as in, over dependence of living expository dialogue with long stretches of walking in between... But I don't think that's ever gonna change. First, it seems that the Japanese audience has zero issues with it, and we know they're the only voice that matters. Second if CBU3 has left something clear is that they should remove the C from the company name, because they're everything but Creative. They haven't tried anything new since HW

[Zakuyia]

This is such an absurd post it's hard to even like fully comprehend that a serious person is actually saying this stuff.

They put out 10 years of bangers, start a new story from scratch, and y'all can't even let them get past the opener before calling it a failure.

I think you all live in a little bubble where you actually believe everyone around you hated it or something. Grow up.

Look everyone allowed a view if your view aligns with this person get some help and stop being on net. We need WOL not unhinged of light. If ppl dont like it ppl dont like it. You need to chill and touch some dirt.

[Shinku_Tachi]

this is not comfortable typing nor me not knowing what I am talking about but what i am seeing:

the fact that people believe this game has been a massive success when the contrary is there
the fact that we all know SE is not at the best place currently as they lost 150 million USD for just the 2023-2024 Financial year.
the fact that since 2021 aside from EW they had numerous failed titles where a lot of money was sunk into.
the fact that SE stocks has fell by 27% in the last 6 months
the fact that there was mass lay offs

so, my question is do you think SE will just ignore a game that has since its restructuring not once had such a division in reviews leaving it to go unnoticed, they might not address it physically, but I am certain they will do something about it companies can only last so long if games they produce keep failing.

it is sad to write, and I don't want to ever see a repeat of what happened prior to 1.0 I also do not wish it upon anyone but just looking at what is seen on the internet going through numerous articles; videos; comments; financial records one can see SE needed DT to be a massive success.

First off, I said what I said because you said Dawntrail is "super close" to 1.0 damage. It's not even close. Anyone who was around back then knows better.

Secondly, regarding the "the fact that" stuff, Eurogamer just released an article stating that despite the issues in other sectors, the MMO sector saw a rise in sales and profits.

As for your question to me, that depends more on player data and player retention. Dawntrail and Wuk Lamat hate threads and angry user reviews can be posted till the cows come home, but unless the player data corroborates that, it means nothing. While Dawntrail isn't as beloved as Heavensward or Shadowbringers, the Dawntrail doomsday narrative is nonsense, reviews from games press are generally favorable and user reviews are more mixed.

So, if you're sad, turn that frown upside down. While it may not be ideal for you now, 14 isn't falling apart, and we're not anywhere near a 1.0 crisis, not by a country mile.