M4S has officially been beaten without healers in week 2

[Supersnow845]

What justification you have to speak for everyone on this?

Casual healers have good time with easy dungeons. Raiders have good time with optimizing healing/mit.

For healbots there is already a game for this playstyle - WOW.

At least Square Enix has receipts in the form of metrics to make decisions on.

I’m not speaking for everyone, I’m saying the forums are constantly flooded with threads about how bad healing is, checking PF listings for current savage is full of holes for healers and there is even a thread up right now where people are agreeing to the fact that often you have to suffer bad healers because otherwise you’ll be waiting hours for a new one

Does that sound like a healthy healer space to you because it certainly doesn’t to me

[HighlanderClone]

With 60k autos they will get 3-shot.

If you increase them more, healers will be forced to cure-bot. Because you would need 40-60k HPS to counteract autos

You don't even understand basic division so idk why you're lecturing a bunch of Ultimate healers on going to do Savage.

[Somnolence]

You don't even understand basic division so idk why you're lecturing a bunch of Ultimate healers on going to do Savage.

You mean about 30k + 50%? 30k is mitigated value since autos now don't happen constantly.

These guys want them nonstop and hurt more.

[Supersnow845]

You mean about 30k + 50%? 30k is mitigated value since autos now don't happen constantly.

These guys want them nonstop and hurt more.

Yes, this is savage (and ultimate), I want the boss to try to belt the tank to oblivion, this isn’t DRR we are playing

What’s the point of having 190k HP and 80% inherent defence when the autos hit you for 30k and the boss does like 5 per minute

I have single target healing, you have self healing you should be getting belted by the boss. Why do you need all that self healing if the autos don’t even hurt that much, it’s certainly not for busters because that’s what the long mits are for

[Somnolence]

Yes, this is savage (and ultimate), I want the boss to try to belt the tank to oblivion, this isn’t DRR we are playing

This playstyle cannot exist as long as healer dps parses are a thing.

Also even this healing situation is too much for weaker healers in PF. What is Yoshi-P to do to then, since healer population needs to be big enough it must be made even more accessible? Add even more healing tools to other jobs and further dumb down healing?

[Supersnow845]

This playstyle cannot exist as long as healer dps parses are a thing.

Also even this healing situation is too much for weaker healers in PF. What is Yoshi-P to do to then, since healer population needs to be big enough it must be made even more accessible? Add even more healing tools to other jobs and further dumb down healing?

Have you seen PF the role is already dead. Why are you acting like doing anything to healers will completely ruin them, they are already ruined, nobody wants to play them. If you are in PF waiting you are waiting for a healer

And healer DPS parses already factor in GCD healing, people just don’t like GCD healing because it isn’t really necessary in modern fights

[Aravell]

This playstyle cannot exist as long as healer dps parses are a thing.

It's worth noting that if the design forces GCD heals, then those GCD heals will become standard as part of logging that fight.

It's the same as when a melee player complains "Why do I need to disengage for this mechanic? It's hurting my logs!", but every melee has to disengage for that mechanic, so everyone operates under the same circumstances.

[Somnolence]

Why are you acting like doing anything to healers will completely ruin them, they are already ruined, nobody wants to play them.

Because there is not one reason people don't want to play healers, there are many.

And unfortunately the JP complaints are different than yours so if SE will make changes based on that it won't turn out how you would expect.

F. e.

今回ヒールが相当に厳しい（天獄OH除算HPSで倍）なので
週末の断章PTが出るたびにヒラ不足どんどん加速していくぞ
4層まで安定で回せるヒラの絶対量が全く足りてない

This time, healing is particularly tough (double the HPS needed, excluding Heavensfall OH), so every time a token farm party appears on the weekends, the shortage of healers keeps accelerating. There's absolutely not enough healers who can consistently manage up to the fourth phase."

So they are complaining that its too hard to heal

[Wyti]

What justification you have to speak for everyone on this?

Casual healers have good time with easy dungeons. Raiders have good time with optimizing healing/mit.

For healbots there is already a game for this playstyle - WOW.

At least Square Enix has receipts in the form of metrics to make decisions on.

Casual healer are having a terrible time with dungeon if they happens to die at any point. The run will continue without them most of the time, you die at 80% of a boss you can go make yourself a coffee and watch them clear without you.

Raiders are having a good time during progression when mistakes are frequent and there a good healer can really make a difference, and then press the same single one button 85% of the time until the next raid tier.

The raider issue isn't new and was ignored back then and is still as of today, the big talk about healer feeling useless is from the mass of casual players realizing this problem now that tank are soloing the casual content when they die with increasing consistency.

[Supersnow845]

Because there is not one reason people don't want to play healers, there are many.

And unfortunately the JP complaints are different than yours so if SE will make changes based on that it won't turn out how you would expect.

F. e.





So they are complaining that its too hard to heal

You used an example of an ultimate that actually has proper HPS checks given the tanks and healers don’t have overbloated kits for the most part at that level, I’m not quite sure what you intended from that example.

And let’s say that example filtered down to JP PF for savage and they actually did move the game in a direction where the healer is functionally redundant and it makes the healer population explode. GOOD. I’m not selfish if the majority of healer mains want the healer role to be redundant then they can have it, I’m simply pushing back against your weird assumption that we can’t do anything to healers because it’ll break the role when the role is well and truly broken already