PF is dead

[OliverQ]

The problem is congestion, cross-server nonsense, and the Savage's being particularly easy. I'm not complaining about easy Savages mind you, but they are so easy you can PF them. Which means the large bulk of PF groups I've seen are Savage groups. Swarms upon swarms upon swarms of people PF'ing Savages. And when everyone is sitting in a queue to fill their party, that means they aren't considering or moving to join yours. Waiting for those last two slots in their prog-to-clear practice group is too important to consider doing something lesser, you see.

Let's not pretend these raids are that easy for the majority of players. I get that's a common saying lately, and it's certainly true for experienced people in statics in full penta-melded crafted gear with past Savage experience. But I can assure you, a ridiculous ton of PFs are absolute dumpster fires. I've spent more time with groups wiping to proteans in M1S than I have clearing any of the new raids.

[Somnolence]

Self sustain in general needs to be dialed back to make healers needed.

Healing is not the issue with savage, but mitigation.

Right now raidwides are designed with feint+addle+reprisal+something else in mind.

Pure healer cannot do anything at all if mit is unexpectedly missing since it will cause deaths (and likely is killing the healers themselves and good luck when your magic dps is almost certainly a picto or dying as well).

Only shield healer can do something, and that usually involves GCD shield spamming and experienced healers will rather bail the party that does not mit rather than do that because content so far made GCD-less healing playstyle meta.

For all the overturned tank healing complaints all WAR does in savage is just saves healer resources and makes it more comfy, it does not drastically changes playstyle or cause healer adjustments.

What does far more is GNB and DRK with magic mit on something like M3S where almost all incoming damage is physical.

[OliviaLugria]

what is going on in pf I spend hours sitting in groups for them to never fill waiting for healers or Physical Ranged, then the group just falls apart and i jump to the next one. I have never had this hard of a time getting into a full pf group before. Did everyone just quit playing healer and phy ranged or something?

I quit half way through Endwalker and came back switched to tank for the first time since ARR which doesn't help because every pf is always filled up with tanks

Welp, nothing stopping you from playing those roles

[Supersnow845]

Welp, nothing stopping you from playing those roles

To be fair I don’t blame him for not playing these roles, hell I actually support him not playing those roles

I hope PF completely blows up on the backs of nobody playing healers and physical ranged

[OliviaLugria]

To be fair I don’t blame him for not playing these roles, hell I actually support him not playing those roles

I hope PF completely blows up on the backs of nobody playing healers and physical ranged

I mean, I like phy range, so I don't really care about that to much... but ya, stay off those healers! XD

[Volgia]

Self sustain in general needs to be dialed back to make healers needed. .

Party Finder doesn't even mit, meless don't use second wind or bloodbath, I can understand in a tryhard static trying to make it like this, but when tanks don't even reprisal big AoEs attack I've found out how much healers have to do on pug groups. Not that I disagree that healing should be more interesting than it actually is, but they are definetly needed.

[HighlanderClone]

Are people surprised? Rphys has always been the forgotten role that nobody cares about, left in dereliction for years because everybody pretends that it's fine, but meanwhile casters and melees get all the attention.

Now that DT has released we have a combination of things:
- No new rphys, while there is a new melee dps (that is extremely approachable on top of it) and a new caster dps (that is overtuned and easier than BLM). Melee dps are the role that fills the faster in PF even though there is 2 slots for it, it's the spoiled role of the game and has been since forever.
- rphys is in the ditch damage wise like at every expansion launch with more than 10% output behind melees and non rezzing casters.
- See the patchnotes for the changes to rphys, there is a single line about it. Nobody at SE cares. Nobody knows what rphys is supposed to be anymore.

Remember when rphys was actually one of the most complex roles (HW BRD and MCH anyone?)

How did we go from that to modern braindead pranged?

[HighlanderClone]

Let's not pretend these raids are that easy for the majority of players. I get that's a common saying lately, and it's certainly true for experienced people in statics in full penta-melded crafted gear with past Savage experience. But I can assure you, a ridiculous ton of PFs are absolute dumpster fires. I've spent more time with groups wiping to proteans in M1S than I have clearing any of the new raids.

They are far easier than previous first tiers.

[HighlanderClone]

Party Finder doesn't even mit, meless don't use second wind or bloodbath, I can understand in a tryhard static trying to make it like this, but when tanks don't even reprisal big AoEs attack I've found out how much healers have to do on pug groups. Not that I disagree that healing should be more interesting than it actually is, but they are definetly needed.

No, what is needed is for the DPS and tanks to press mits because there's nothing the healer can do about 20% mit just flat out missing.

[Volgia]

No, what is needed is for the DPS and tanks to press mits because there's nothing the healer can do about 20% mit just flat out missing.

Like honestly it's a challenge to learn to heal in PF when people have shaky gear and don't use self sustain or mit, it's pretty fun, I must imagine how boring it is to be in a static where all your heals have been put in an excel sheet and you just press 1 and your big buttons every 2 minutes.