Can we start hoilding devs accountable now or what?

[Bureda]

The PvP is experience is beyond unacceptable and people (usually non-pvpers) keep making excuses for the devs.

- The facts are class balance is rubbish and has been so for over 2 years

- Same Meta for over 2 years

- The quality of the matches are rubbish

- CC mode still not in roulette 2 years later

- People using PvP modes for EXP and not contributing or AKFing

- GMs not doing anything with the reports or giving out light punishment like a 2 to 4 day ban then the offenders are back AFKig again.

- GMs not dealing with PvP related issues

- FFXIV devs only ever acting when they need to save face instead of doing changes for the good of their community and their player base.

I know this pointless place is mainly used as a dump to let out your frustration, but, can we start using that frustration constructively, getting on their devs backsides about it?

We get very few updates, little to zero communication, this game is square's biggest money maker and yet we don't see any of that effort and love.

Even if Viper and Pictomancer skills are placeholders, this level of neglect should not be allowed or acceptable.

[Mawlzy]

The PvP is experience is beyond unacceptable and people (usually non-pvpers) keep making excuses for the devs.

- The facts are class balance is rubbish and has been so for over 2 years

- Same Meta for over 2 years

- The quality of the matches are rubbish

- CC mode still not in roulette 2 years later

- People using PvP modes for EXP and not contributing or AKFing

- GMs not doing anything with the reports or giving out light punishment like a 2 to 4 day ban then the offenders are back AFKig again.

- GMs not dealing with PvP related issues

- FFXIV devs only ever acting when they need to save face instead of doing changes for the good of their community and their player base.

I know this pointless place is mainly used as a dump to let out your frustration, but, can we start using that frustration constructively, getting on their devs backsides about it?

We get very few updates, little to zero communication, this game is square's biggest money maker and yet we don't see any of that effort and love.

Even if Viper and Pictomancer skills are placeholders, this level of neglect should not be allowed or acceptable.

La Résistance fully supports any efforts to improve PvP and endorses addressing all the issues you raise. The stumbling block we keep running into is what to do in practice. Our efforts are further thwarted by a sub-section of the community claiming that the problem with FL is the players, not the mode.

[Divinemights]

The PvP is experience is beyond unacceptable and people (usually non-pvpers) keep making excuses for the devs.

Even if Viper and Pictomancer skills are placeholders, this level of neglect should not be allowed or acceptable.

Respond to your points:

"The facts are class balance is rubbish and has been so for over 2 years"

Your personal opinion, you are welcome to say it but it doesn't mean you are correct
Feedback from Japanese side is different.

"Same Meta for over 2 years"

Please elaborate
PvP only get get major change every new expansion then minor tune-up during the expansion.

"The quality of the matches are rubbish"

It is the people you are playing with
Again, Japanese, Chinese, and Korean have different experience.
Maybe you want to try to play with Japanese CC (Chinese and Korean requires different payment system; not recommended)

"CC mode still not in roulette 2 years later"

CC will not be and never will be included in Roulette because it is considered as Ranked Competitive PvP

"People using PvP modes for EXP and not contributing or AKFing"

There is option to vote kick but not commonly used by EN/EU.
Among Chinese, Korean, and Japanese, there is always this "blacklist" flowing around non official forum; freeloaders always get vote kicked

"GMs not doing anything with the reports or giving out light punishment like a 2 to 4 day ban then the offenders are back AFKig again."

The tool of vote kick is already provided; use it.
Expecting GM action or expecting account ban is out of bound when a tool already provided

"GMs not dealing with PvP related issues"

Please elaborate on type of issue"
GM is not a judge and often PvP issue is just a drama (he said, she said)

[AllenThyl]

Our efforts are further thwarted by a sub-section of the community claiming that the problem with FL is the players, not the mode.

Someone please tell Mawlzy what the 2 'P's in "PvP" stand for. If Kruger and Dunning ever want to verify their findings, they just need to check out this subforum.

[Mistress_Irika]

The only things I'll hold the devs personally accountable for is the removal/replacement of certain modes and maps, the rank system that was implemented for Crystal Conflict, the balances that heavily favored the Crystal Conflict mode, and the high damage reduction that is currently active for frontlines.

Everything else that currently exist is the things that most of the regulars asked for in some way shape, and form.

[Valence]

The PvP is experience is beyond unacceptable and people (usually non-pvpers) keep making excuses for the devs.

- The facts are class balance is rubbish and has been so for over 2 years

I don't think it is. I have a personal problem with the EU meta favoring melee DPS, but that's expected in any kind of balance, and it could very well have been another role. In my eyes jobs are all relatively decently balanced, some sure are strong and dominate at certain levels, but you can reach top 10 by playing anything. I think balance is harder to maintain in scrims and LP games by their very definition, and you end up seeing almost always the same comps, and yet, we see variations here and there so it's not completely static either. Either way, what matters to most people is the ranked ladder and that's what keeps the mode alive, and it's balanced enough to me that it's in a workable condition with no job really left behind. Even SAM, and I do agree it's underwhelming.

If you have concerns about what's truly imbalanced to the point of being unacceptable though, I'd like to hear them? I'm not especially convinced that what the devs do with the mode is absolutely spotless either.

- The quality of the matches are rubbish

Blame the community. And from my experience, the people that mald the most tend to be the ones that are the problem because in reality they're trying to deflect their own shortcomings at others. If you want games without stupid mistakes or absolute you'll need to get to high crystal rank, that's about it. I've played regularly at low crystal rank myself, which often put me into games with people from diam as well as top rankers that play way better than me. Sometimes I pull up something that probably make them cringe, the same way the diam players can pull things or lack skill/knowledge that makes me shake my head.

You'll probably want to elaborate on the match quality either way, because it's hard to exactly pinpoint what you're getting frustrated with here. I feel like you're making very vague statements with the hope that people would read whatever they like reading into it and upvote it...

- CC mode still not in roulette 2 years later

Casual should definitely be in roulette to open the mode more and perhaps push more players to try their hand at ranked. But since SE seems to think that roulettes are mostly warranted to help content actually pop and provide bodies for it, then CC in their eyes probably doesn't require it because it already pops on its own.

- People using PvP modes for EXP and not contributing or AKFing

Obviously if you're asking modes to get their own roulette, you'll open them to people just getting in for the rewards without any effort... It happens in pve too, especially in 24 man modes.

- GMs not doing anything with the reports or giving out light punishment like a 2 to 4 day ban then the offenders are back AFKig again.

- GMs not dealing with PvP related issues

GMs are a joke. They have a TOS that is excruciatingly clear to follow, yet they never do anything. Especially in pvp.

- FFXIV devs only ever acting when they need to save face instead of doing changes for the good of their community and their player base.

What does this even mean? I'm asking genuinely? What are you referring to?

We get very few updates, little to zero communication, this game is square's biggest money maker and yet we don't see any of that effort and love.

On this I agree completely. Whether it's pvp or pve, they shy away from talking about anything remotely close to what you'd consider a "hot topic". I don't know what they're afraid of, but instead their policy has always been to let things fester and let people in the dark when it comes to the reasoning behind everything they do. And that's without even mentioning the incredible time spans you have to wait for changes to actually happen.

[Bureda]

Respond to your points:

"The facts are class balance is rubbish and has been so for over 2 years"

Your personal opinion, you are welcome to say it but it doesn't mean you are correct
Feedback from Japanese side is different.

"Same Meta for over 2 years"

Please elaborate
PvP only get get major change every new expansion then minor tune-up during the expansion.

"The quality of the matches are rubbish"

It is the people you are playing with
Again, Japanese, Chinese, and Korean have different experience.
Maybe you want to try to play with Japanese CC (Chinese and Korean requires different payment system; not recommended)

"CC mode still not in roulette 2 years later"

CC will not be and never will be included in Roulette because it is considered as Ranked Competitive PvP

"People using PvP modes for EXP and not contributing or AKFing"

There is option to vote kick but not commonly used by EN/EU.
Among Chinese, Korean, and Japanese, there is always this "blacklist" flowing around non official forum; freeloaders always get vote kicked

"GMs not doing anything with the reports or giving out light punishment like a 2 to 4 day ban then the offenders are back AFKig again."

The tool of vote kick is already provided; use it.
Expecting GM action or expecting account ban is out of bound when a tool already provided

"GMs not dealing with PvP related issues"

Please elaborate on type of issue"
GM is not a judge and often PvP issue is just a drama (he said, she said)

Hello. Are you a Square Enix staff member on an alt account? Because you sound like you don't play your own game but have an expert opinion.

[Bureda]

I don\\\\'t think it is. I have a personal problem with the EU meta favoring melee DPS, but that\\\\'s expected in any kind of balance, and it could very well have been another role. In my eyes jobs are all relatively decently balanced, some sure are strong and dominate at certain levels, but you can reach top 10 by playing anything. I think balance is harder to maintain in scrims and LP games by their very definition, and you end up seeing almost always the same comps, and yet, we see variations here and there so it\\\\'s not completely static either. Either way, what matters to most people is the ranked ladder and that\\\\'s what keeps the mode alive, and it\\\\'s balanced enough to me that it\\\\'s in a workable condition with no job really left behind. Even SAM, and I do agree it\\'s underwhelming.

If you have concerns about what\\\\'s truly imbalanced to the point of being unacceptable though, I\\\\'d like to hear


Blame the community. And from my experience, the people that mald the most tend to be the ones that are the problem because in reality they\\\\'re trying to deflect their own shortcomings at others. If you want games without stupid mistakes or absolute you\\\\'ll need to get to high crystal rank, that\\\\'s about it. I\\\\'ve played regularly at low crystal rank myself, which often put me into games with people from diam as well as top rankers that play way better than me. Sometimes I pull up something that probably make them cringe, the same way the diam players can pull things or lack skill/knowledge that makes me shake my head.


Casual should definitely be in roulette to open the mode more and perhaps push more players to try their hand at ranked. But since SE seems to think that roulettes are mostly warranted to help content actually pop and provide bodies for it, then CC in their eyes probably doesn\\\\'t require it because it already pops on its own.


GMs are a joke. They have a TOS that is excruciatingly clear to follow, yet they never do anything. Especially in pvp.


On this I agree completely. Whether it\\\\'s pvp or pve, they shy away from talking about anything remotely close to what you\\\\'d consider a "hot topic". I don\\\\'t know what they\\\\'re afraid of, but instead their policy has always been to let things fester and let people in the dark when it comes to the reasoning behind everything they do. And that\\\\'s without even mentioning the incredible time spans you have to wait for changes to actually happen.

Hello, superior breed god gamer that thinks PvP ranked is alive and also thinks PvP is on a fine balanced equilibrium.

Would you kindly go play a few dozens games of Viper and Pictomancer for me and then write a guide. I would very much appreciated that so that way I can follow your sage advice and blame myself and not others.

I'm just a lowly silver player, I couldn't comprehend the higher echelons of Crystal Rank you see. Genuinely curious.

[Valence]

Complaining about VPR and PCT's current state when there is no actual ranked season going on is a little amusing to be honest. They're just placeholders until 7.1 hits, where it will truly matter. If anything what we do have now will probably serve as a proof of concept for them of what works and what doesn't. The other jobs already have years of practice behind them but the two new ones are completely brand new. I agreed with you on that SE is not reactive at all when it comes to fixing up things, but making a mountain out of two jobs during an expansion release where there is no ranked season going sounds somewhat over dramatic to me.

Also I've seen you in Plat/Diam many times last seasons, you're definitely not silver and should know better, but it is obvious by the tone of your reply that you're actually not interested with a serious discussion nor answering to genuine queries into clarifying some of your points...

[george357]

you really need a spell checker because your a very bad speller.