Please stop putting Piety on gear

[Wyti]

Having ~80% of the dps potential of DET would be a nice start.
But while as a tank reducing damage taken has an obvious benefit even if dps is still king.
On the other hand mana is so useless for healers right now that piety would need to do something useful for healer beside damage to be an any interest.

[RinaB]

I'm no expert on healers, I last got ast and whm to max level in shadowbringers. I gemmed a lot of piety due to the fact I just played normal content and raids and was running out of mana quite fast with no MIT tanks and reckless dps everywhere and partner healers in 8 man's doing nothing. I'm not sure if it helped but I feel it did. Any form of mana regen was better then nothing. Am I wrong in saying piety as a stat needs to have a much larger percentage boost to mana regen then it currently does because I find it ridiculous after this many xpacs, tanks and healers are still avoiding their unique stat like the plague.

[RinaB]

I cant edit posts on mobile but why doesn't piety
Increase healing done
Increase mana regen
Increase shield potency?

[Ramiee]

I cant edit posts on mobile but why doesn't piety
Increase healing done
Increase mana regen
Increase shield potency?

Why do we need that, tanks already do all that for us. Xd

[wildvenonat]

The amount of piety on current gear is absolutely insane. I don't want to play 0 piety and materia is ignored when syncing, so I do like a little piety, but I'm happy with one or two piety pieces. The tome, raid, and crafted gear sets have so much piety. Who is this even for?

[Wyti]

How little piety do you want ?
every 240 piety on gear is 1 raise over a 10min fight (assuming you never overcap mana at any point).
0 piety is actually quite comfy on all healers and thats why we dodge piety like the plague.

[Zolvolt]

How little piety do you want ?
every 240 piety on gear is 1 raise over a 10min fight (assuming you never overcap mana at any point).
0 piety is actually quite comfy on all healers and thats why we dodge piety like the plague.

Low piety is only comfy with 0 deaths. If you yourself die with 500 piety as it is now you can easily end up in a position where you can't cast your dps spell anymore. (at least on ast and sch) 0 piety build only really works in statics that don't mess up, or expect recovery to come from their caster dps. (this is before everyone is max ilevel)

I progged this tier with 5xx piety in a comp with blm, picto, 1 melee, 1 phys r and it sucked. Honey B. lovely recoveries could be done but by the time we get to alpha/betas the mp is gone. Same thing with M3S, the final heal check would be rough if we had a lot of stray deaths, so even if we could recover and meet the dps check, the mp would be a major hinderance. Especially in PF prog groups.

Have 9xx piety seems to be where healers get comfy with mistakes. You can recover, not run out of MP or need to use an ether, and still clear. I'd only reccomend 5xx or lower for healers that are in an environment where mistakes = wipe it. (or you have redmage and/or smn helping with recovery)

I think piety is such a hot topic because your relationship with it varies drastically depending on your raid environment and composition.

[Wyti]

True that dying yourself with both Lucid and draw / aetherflow on CD can be pretty bad mana wise until they come out of CD again.

But then again we're mostly asking to either have an option to avoid piety entirely (assuming most of the time the other piece would have it), or melding is still an option.
Or for piety to bring some usefulness beyond mana.

A bit like a tank getting tenacity would go "suboptimal but can still be useful and don't lose too much damage" while piety is useful in specific situations and worth exactly 0 when you are beyond early progression

[Zolvolt]

True that dying yourself with both Lucid and draw / aetherflow on CD can be pretty bad mana wise until they come out of CD again.

But then again we're mostly asking to either have an option to avoid piety entirely (assuming most of the time the other piece would have it), or melding is still an option.
Or for piety to bring some usefulness beyond mana.

A bit like a tank getting tenacity would go "suboptimal but can still be useful and don't lose too much damage" while piety is useful in specific situations and worth exactly 0 when you are beyond early progression

Yes I agree completely. To me the perfect answer is just treat is like tenacity, but honestly any of the proposed solutions would be fine

[Carighan]

Wouldn't it be much better if they instead made a use for the stat in the first place?

I mean the only reason we never need Piety is because we never have to actually heal. We just press an oGCD (which are free) after every big AoE hit or so. Imagine if we had to really heal, how fast we could use up mana. There'd be a use case for Piety.

Of course, that'd require a basic rethinking of how (and how much) damage is dealt to not only the tank but the group overall, and how it is individually targetted/dealt. But we could easily have a scenario where many-most of our GCDs are spent casting our normal, non-special, standard, filler heals/groupheals. Which to me is still worlds better than using a filler nuke in that GCD, conceptually!