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  1. #101
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Banggugyangu View Post
    PCT has 5 buttons at level 50... Job gauges, for most jobs, began in HW. Healers didn't see theirs until SB. It just wasn't in the game as a concept. RPR is rough at early levels, but at least it's more engaging than the 5 buttons of PCT.... 5.... you have your "1-2-3", sure... but that's 1 button on PCT... You don't even get subtractive palette until 60... It's a total snore to play at level 50, far worse than any other job. BLM used to be my least favorite job at that level, but now PCT is, hands down... BLM feels like playing 4D chess at 50 compared to PCT, and BLM is a snoozefest at 50.... Now... on the other hand.... PCT's level 100 rotation is a TON of fun. It's busy, but with the utility of all the instacast stuff you have, it's mobile enough to not have that business feel bad.
    Are you really going to argue that RPR’s 1-2-3 as 3 buttons is more engaging than PCT’s 1-2-3 as one button when RPR has literally just that and an oGCD when PCT has 2 of its canvases

    Like by that logic DRG is the best job at level 50 because it has all 6 pieces of its base combo despite them functionally being 2 buttons

    PCT is easily one of the jobs that has the most of its identity at 50
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  2. #102
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    Banggugyangu's Avatar
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    Amelia Aensland
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Are you really going to argue that RPR’s 1-2-3 as 3 buttons is more engaging than PCT’s 1-2-3 as one button when RPR has literally just that and an oGCD when PCT has 2 of its canvases
    Yes... Yes I am.... on controller, at least, it's substantially more engaging. The two canvases on PCT equate to little more than 2 60 second weaves. Meanwhile, RPR has blood stalk that gets weaved every 5 GCDs, providing even more engagement, Harpe for ranged when necessary, Hells' Ingress and Egress for uptime greeding. RPR is still pretty neutered at 50, yes, but what it DOES have does indeed make it more engaging than PCT at the same level.

    Like by that logic DRG is the best job at level 50 because it has all 6 pieces of its base combo despite them functionally being 2 buttons
    Maybe because DRG was my primary 2.0 job, but yeah, level 50 DRG feels pretty good as far as level 50 jobs go.... Also, I don't utilize the comboing function DT just added, personally. I don't mind using multiple buttons for combos.

    PCT is easily one of the jobs that has the most of its identity at 50
    are.... are you serious? PCT's identity is primarily centered around a huge amount of painting with minimal Aetherhue use at 90+. At level 50, you paint twice per minute and have nothing else to do EXCEPT aetherhues in between.... In fact, proper play at 100 has you using ~5 aetherhue rotations and 2 subtractive rotations per 2 minute burst, then one subtractive inside the 2-minute burst. That's 37.5s spent casting aetherhues per 2 minutes, or just barely over 30% of the time. Meanwhile, you get 8 seconds of painting, 7.5 seconds of hammers, and 44.5 seconds of aetherhues at 50 per 60 seconds, or just shy of 75% of the time. Sure... "most of its identity at 50"....
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  3. #103
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    Elfidan's Avatar
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    Elfidan Gadfor
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    Ultros
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    Reaper Lv 100
    For people just arriving:
    OP: This expansion is harder than I like and also, I'm tired of Praetorium/castrum/ultima.
    Assorted children with keyboard: HAH YOU THINK IT'S HARD CAUSE YOUR BAD AND IM GOOD! <insert youtube video to make you feel my disdain> SEE THIS IS HOW BAD YOU ARE AND HOW GOODER I AM THAN YOU IS!
    Knights of Yoshida: You just need to practice and pay attention bro. Games fine bro. It's just you bro.
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    If there was a downvote button I'd be pressing it.

  4. #104
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    Ulala Ula
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    Shiva
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    But it is just you, like it or not. Im by far no elite player yet i manage everything even while being half asleep, sick or distracted by 2 ppl next to me. Its lv 100. People had enough time to practice, to learn, to redo what they could not quite understand or even watch a video to get it. If youre at this point in the game, still are too bad, then it cant be helped.
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  5. #105
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuroka View Post
    If youre at this point in the game, still are too bad, then it cant be helped.
    It's obvious you're a forum sitter, but could you try to be a little less dishonest if you're going to represent a point of opposition? Posting on an ALT but your mains achievements are totally visible bro. Plays hundreds if not thousands of hours in a game with an over arcing message of acceptance, shuns acceptance.
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    If there was a downvote button I'd be pressing it.

  6. #106
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    It's not just them, I've seen plenty of folks struggle.
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  7. #107
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    Y'sira Nia
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Elfidan View Post
    It's obvious you're a forum sitter, but could you try to be a little less dishonest if you're going to represent a point of opposition? Posting on an ALT but your mains achievements are totally visible bro. Plays hundreds if not thousands of hours in a game with an over arcing message of acceptance, shuns acceptance.
    Everyone who has reached lvl 100 has played hundreds of hours.
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  8. #108
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    Elfidan Gadfor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naryoril View Post
    Everyone who has reached lvl 100 has played hundreds of hours.
    Strangest part to get stuck on but to each their own.
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  9. #109
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    Amelia Aensland
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfidan View Post
    It's obvious you're a forum sitter, but could you try to be a little less dishonest if you're going to represent a point of opposition? Posting on an ALT but your mains achievements are totally visible bro. Plays hundreds if not thousands of hours in a game with an over arcing message of acceptance, shuns acceptance.
    I'm sorry, but FFXIV's overarching message is not blind total acceptance... Dawntrail is a prime example of the opposite. The overarching message is Understanding, even if you can't accept the stance of the other. We UNDERSTAND the plight of the ancient Etheiryns, but we don't accept the rejoining. We UNDERSTAND the Endless, but we terminate them, nonetheless. We UNDERSTAND the Garleans, but still fought a war against them. We UNDERSTAND Nidhogg, but still slay him. Heck, the closest thing to blind acceptance is what we do in Mamook... We accept the past of the Mamool Ja, but still push them toward a better way...

    *edit* I would argue that those of us sympathizing with the OPs of these posts and disagreeing regardless are the ones most closely representing the narrative of the game.
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  10. #110
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    Lucretia Ryusagi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildheaven182 View Post
    FF needed something original, new and creative, not just perfection of execution. Thats why im not compelled by the gameplay of DT.
    If they did anything new, the outcry from the bad players would be even worse, imagin you actually had to use skills for mobility instead of just walking to play mechanics, people would lose their mind.
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