Nothing will get fixed if the community allows culture warriors to seize control

[Wildheaven182]

Frankly the "less is more" will involve Estinien and really all the Scions retiring. Their character development has been complete for multiple expansions. Maybe barring Urianger who actually got something in Endwalker.

Come to think of it, Dawntrail would have been so interesting if it had to do with each of the Scions doing just that, finding their own place, going off to follow their own path, going to do their own thing, helping them all say goodbye. It would give that "distant" feeling to a vacation arc. Like a bittersweet sunset, but it's a sunset you all earned.

[Striker44]

I find it funny how every time someone defends the story they cannot actually explain why Wuk Lamat is a well-written character beyond "good" or "I liked it though".

Meanwhile the critiques went in-depth and explained exactly why we thought the characterization was poor.

Umm...what? People have given plenty of explanations why they like Wuk Lamat as a character. The ones I see most often on here are her growth arc from someone who had empathy but didn't realize it was useful, skills but little confidence, a need for false bravado, etc., to someone who recognized the value her empathy brings, confidence but still positively tempered by humility, the ability to know when she can trust people, be honest, and let her guard down, etc.. That's typically presented alongside the counter-arcs for characters like Koana who were over-confident and didn't realize there were things they were missing.

Just because you might choose to ignore the analyses people give doesn't make it any less existent. But ignoring it and then claiming it doesn't exist is just shallow.

That's almost like, your opinion

I find it interesting you never post this as a response to people saying negative things about DT. Heck, there's several right here in this thread...

I remember back in EW, the forums were flooded with positive threads, did you have problem with that? Or you only take issue when it's negative?

Wait, what? Seriously. What planet did we move to? Back in EW, this was forum was just as flooded with negative threads, and the few positive ones that would pop up from time to time would get invaded by the echo chamber just like now. Remember the whole big thing about the multi-hundred page thread bashing EW's story? Seriously, what?

Come to think of it, Dawntrail would have been so interesting if it had to do with each of the Scions doing just that, finding their own place, going off to follow their own path, going to do their own thing, helping them all say goodbye. It would give that "distant" feeling to a vacation arc. Like a bittersweet sunset, but it's a sunset you all earned.

Except that's just not going to happen. The issue an idea like that faces is that the Scions are extremely popular. There's a reason they can't even bring themselves to "kill off" even one of them at this point. There's a wide world (aka playerbase) out there that's very different from this little forum. The Scions are there with us for good. It's our story as a group, not just the WoL as an individual.

[TheRealQuah]

How much do you want to bet that SE now believes people dissatisfied about Wuk Lamat are all just people who are more interested in wokeness or anti-wokeness or culture war BS?

The community needs to speak up and say: no, this isn't us.

99% of people dissatisfied with Wuk Lamat are dissatisfied about the poor writing, poor characterization, poor quality control, poor pacing, and frankly what is an extremely obvious siphoning of resources to let junior devs helm the ship so senior devs can make some other third project that none of us paid for.

It's time to denounce people who want to twist criticisms into culture war BS and focus on the issues: the horrible job designs, the lackluster undertuned raids, the atrocious story, and broken, poorly thought out systems like DC travel.

Do you have any evidence to back up these claims that 99% of people feel this way.

Stop downplaying the rampant racism and transphobia running off at the moment. Take a step back and think about how these minority groups feel before saying their concerns aren't valid.

Big words from someone posting on an alt account.

The story was bad.
Wuk Lamat's voice acting was fine.
Wuk Lamat's voice direction was bad. That's not the VA's fault.

You are burying your head in the sand if you think that there isn't a sizeable vocal minority of people who hate Wuk because of culture issues.
Because the VA has been bad for various white cis voiced characters for a while and I'm not seeing any threads about those.

[Wildheaven182]

Do you have any evidence to back up these claims that 99% of people feel this way.

Stop downplaying the rampant racism and transphobia running off at the moment. Take a step back and think about how these minority groups feel before saying their concerns aren't valid.

Big words from someone posting on an alt account.

The story was bad.
Wuk Lamat's voice acting was fine.
Wuk Lamat's voice direction was bad. That's not the VA's fault.

You are burying your head in the sand if you think that there isn't a sizeable vocal minority of people who hate Wuk because of culture issues.
Because the VA has been bad for various white cis voiced characters for a while and I'm not seeing any threads about those.

What racism and transphobia? Have any sources or quotes?

[HighlanderClone]

Do you have any evidence to back up these claims that 99% of people feel this way.

Stop downplaying the rampant racism and transphobia running off at the moment. Take a step back and think about how these minority groups feel before saying their concerns aren't valid.

Big words from someone posting on an alt account.

The story was bad.
Wuk Lamat's voice acting was fine.
Wuk Lamat's voice direction was bad. That's not the VA's fault.

You are burying your head in the sand if you think that there isn't a sizeable vocal minority of people who hate Wuk because of culture issues.
Because the VA has been bad for various white cis voiced characters for a while and I'm not seeing any threads about those.

It is seriously delusional to think that more than 1% of the playerbase even cares about this drama.