#WukLamatMustDie

[Raven2014]

It's something I've noticed with young people on social media. They look for something to fit a narrative they've already made up in their heads and if they find 1 post out of a hundred, or even a thousand, they hyper focus on it and everything else doesn't matter. All that matters is justifying their pre-made opinion.

People go onto social media do not seek to be informed, they seek to be validated.

[Themarvin]

You still don't understand what I'm trying to say.

The vast majority of players are casual ones, whose main attraction is the MSQ. That's also why most of the communication is about the MSQ, why what's work on youtube isn't gatheting guide or RP video but people reacting to the said MSQ.

Those casual player can still remain subscribed between two patches because they can always connect time to time to level up a job or for events or anything the game has to offer.

But it doesn't change the fact that the MSQ is the main attraction. You remove it, you lose most of the players.
If you remove gathering, crafting, housing of the game or endgame activities, FF14 won't be as good anymore yes, but it could still work.

I am quite the casual player, and honestly MSQ is not the thing that moves me to most in keeping on playing the game, everything else is, thinking that that 99% of the game is all rounded around the story is pure BS, and is quite a bit inaccurate, it show how much not in touch you are with the game as well as the general player base as it is.

I do play through the story, I don't skip the cut scenes and I read through as well as paid for that part of the game as well as it is.

MSQ, is not the main attraction, it is a very small part of the game, however it does drive a part of the game story wise, but to be honest, it is a very small impact on what do I and like to do inside the game.

The key thing for any MMORPG is interaction with players, and that is why I am not on these fora very often either, in fact it may be the the 0.001% that spend their entire life on these fora instead of actually playing the game..

[Themarvin]

I see your point here, but I think it may be a bit unfair. FFXIV is 99% MSQ gate-locked. If you removed the MSQ, we don't actually even know what this game would look like. It has married the MSQ to the gameplay for so long that removing it would leave people without a knee-jerk response out to the sheer shock.

FFXIV is MSQ, I woefully agree. I think it's a mistake the way it's done, and it means that when they release an expansion with questionable story it irrevocably damages all of FFXIV.



Factually, objectively, and I'd argue even legally, incorrect.

"Most content creation comes from interaction with[...]" Yes, interaction is key in MMO, but interaction is not 'content', and it is not 'created content' either: it's spontaneous reaction from interaction. If I go to Alabama and someone says "The end is nigh" I don't think "Wow whoever paid him to say that is off the mark by a few years." This interactions are not 'content creation' at any stage. If they were, every single FFXIV player could sue CBU3 for their royalties on their share of the interactions that were sold as part of the expansion. Companies don't advertise it that way for a damn good reason.

"Being silly about everything else is just like any other hate speech." Just, wow: so the only valid complaints are hate speech? If I buy a house and you take away my bathroom, I'm gonna be pissed. Sure I didn't buy the house for that bathroom, but you robbed me of that bathroom and I paid for it. This is hate speech?

You need to touch grass, ASAP. You're in no position to tell others what they have a right to expect for their purchase, you're no advocate of the brand, and you're definitively not well-versed in the concept of what 'content' even is. Please refrain from spreading this nonsense, the topic is already charged enough without your misinformation addled argument.

Not really, MSQ is a ver small part of the game, yes it is supposed to be a spearhead or the likes, but at the end of the day MMORPG's is mostly about players interacting eith each other doing content, and that includes myself, on both the casual side of the game and a bit toward the hardcore side as well to it.

[Wildheaven182]

Not really, MSQ is a ver small part of the game, yes it is supposed to be a spearhead or the likes, but at the end of the day MMORPG's is mostly about players interacting eith each other doing content, and that includes myself, on both the casual side of the game and a bit toward the hardcore side as well to it.

Square enix seems to think otherwose as their reasoning for not doing some story skips is that they say the main attraction of the game is the story and msq.

[Themarvin]

Square enix seems to think otherwose as their reasoning for not doing some story skips is that they say the main attraction of the game is the story and msq.

That is SE, not the Player base.... if there was MSQ only to the game it would be deserted long time ago Final Fantasy or not.

[Sivante]

Not really, MSQ is a ver small part of the game, yes it is supposed to be a spearhead or the likes, but at the end of the day MMORPG's is mostly about players interacting eith each other doing content, and that includes myself, on both the casual side of the game and a bit toward the hardcore side as well to it.

That has nothing to do with what I said. I said the game is 99% MSQ Gate-locked, and that's me being generous to your side of the argument. Go create a new character with the goal of never completing any MSQ. The game is, at least 99% gate-locked behind MSQ. The game is built, managed, presented, and hallmarked by the MSQ. I don't like it much either but FFXIV is a story first, an MMO second: That's why everything is gated behind MSQ. If you doubt it, watch Yoshi fan-boy over story elements, sell story elements, sell memorabilia of story elements, and continue to advertise and build the game around the story elements. There's easily 100+ hours of MSQ cutscenes, dialogue, and exchanges alone not even to speak of the amount of time you'd need to clear all the MSQ from level 1 to current content.

You made the claim that:

"I am just saying how it is, if you play an MMO and it gets an expansion then most of the buy is to be able to access content in that expansion and the story just being a side bonus, most content creation comes with interacting with other players in an MMORPG, being silly about everything else is just like any other hate speech..."

· People having an opinion about what they buy still isn't hate-speech.
· Interacting with other players is still not 'content.'
· You're conveniently forgetting the RPG part of MMORPG.

You're attempting to convince people that the MMORPG, built by the company reknowned for story telling and depth in their games, bragged about across the internet for its storylines, actually has very little story content compared to everything else involved in the purchase price. I'd wager that they spent more time developing the story, the voice acting, and the atmospheric story-telling of this expansion than they spent even discussing mechanics. I'm equally surprised to hear you belittling that voice-acting, given I assume your hate-speech rhetoric is somehow butting up against defending the VA of Wuk Lamat and what she's going through, which is awful and she shouldn't have to deal with it.

It may be a small part of your experience but it's curious how you're dismissing other peoples experience so readily while citing your own like you're thumping a holy book. And for Pete's sake, stop calling things hate-speech so flippantly. It's disrespectful to them, to you, and serves to normalize actually harmful hate-speech just so you can win an internet argument. Have more respect.

[Savagelf]

First no speech is hate speech see RBG the supreme Court judge. When actress or voice actress or they work isn't be give favorably like they go to I get deaths threat or dox. People don't like her character is said nothing about her. Through going to this I am get this or that does. Her excuse is the girl who cried wolf. This is standard leftist claim ever leftist make they down really people who are get this. This make really victim less likely to come forward every time. Wuk Lamar is bad character

[Savagelf]

Third really victim don't really put it out on public square they go to cop and law enforcement

[Healing-the-things]

I was having fun playing DT, right up until the point where I have to play as Wuk Lamat...

Now I'll admit I normally don't like it when the game forces me to play a NPC character with a kit I'm not trying to level... I find it annoying and insulting to force a playstyle on the player in some vain attempt to 'enhance' the story and I think all of these 'NPC action' fights should be deleted from the history of all existence... and honestly, most of the time I grit my teeth and slog through the asinine mandatory roleplay the game force-feeds me... but I am not, at ALL interested in even trying to play as this annoying AF cliche cat.

Shes boring, uninspired low hanging plot fruit and I would rather have my chocobo as an option to fight with than spend a single additional minute with this stupid character in my vicinity.

I seriously don't even care about the DT story anymore, I'm so over this cat.

I'm straight up gonna just have to wait till they let me buy my way out of this stupid Wuk Lamat story so I can get to the parts of the game I enjoy: healing for groups [that is, until they decide DPS and tanks are all the game needs... but thats a different thread/discussion]

[Coratanni]

I was having fun playing DT, right up until the point where I have to play as Wuk Lamat...

Now I'll admit I normally don't like it when the game forces me to play a NPC character with a kit I'm not trying to level... I find it annoying and insulting to force a playstyle on the player in some vain attempt to 'enhance' the story and I think all of these 'NPC action' fights should be deleted from the history of all existence... and honestly, most of the time I grit my teeth and slog through the asinine mandatory roleplay the game force-feeds me... but I am not, at ALL interested in even trying to play as this annoying AF cliche cat.

Shes boring, uninspired low hanging plot fruit and I would rather have my chocobo as an option to fight with than spend a single additional minute with this stupid character in my vicinity.

I seriously don't even care about the DT story anymore, I'm so over this cat.

I'm straight up gonna just have to wait till they let me buy my way out of this stupid Wuk Lamat story so I can get to the parts of the game I enjoy: healing for groups [that is, until they decide DPS and tanks are all the game needs... but thats a different thread/discussion]

I purposefully failed that duty so i could lower the difficulty, in the hopes of speeding up getting through it. It was PAINFUL for me to play as her. And it's why I'll never take an alt through DT until I can buy a story skip.