Prepare to have your mind blown

[Rydin]

Right, but I think the debate is whether or not your presence in the echo affects events outside the echo.

Say I use the Echo to view your past, and I eat your cake in the Echo. When we return to normal time, did I really eat your cake, or did you still eat it and events were never changed?

The ultimate proof would be if someone other than the person whose brain you are in remembers you...
Then that would prove you actually entered the past.... but as long as the only person who notices is the person you were echo'ing.... then Id say no... you are not interacting with the past.... only with a memory

[Deltara]

In a previous CS in the same questline, (before you even use the echo), he states that he remembers you from 10 years ago. (the visit of the echo CS) So the echo is something that happened even before it was used.

1. he's in bed comatose, wakes up for a second and says he remembers you from 10 years ago.
2. later, you use the echo and appear before him ten years ago and "save" him in the cave

So the physical presence in the past is very real and it stood apart from you even knowing it happened. You did something in the past, ten years ago, without even knowing that you did... because you hadn't done it in the future yet.

Sorry for all the repetition, but I'm trying to make sense of it myself as i type it.

[Denmo]

In a previous CS in the same questline, (before you even use the echo), he states that he remembers you from 10 years ago. (the visit of the echo CS) So the echo is something that happened even before it was used.

1. he's in bed comatose, wakes up for a second and says he remembers you from 10 years ago.
2. later, you use the echo and appear before him ten years ago and "save" him in the cave

So the physical presence in the past is very real and it stood apart from you even knowing it happened. You did something in the past, ten years ago, without even knowing that you did... because you hadn't done it in the future yet.

Sorry for all the repetition, but I'm trying to make sense of it myself as i type it.

Great SCOTT.

[Deltara]

Great SCOTT.

I know, this is heavy.

[Alerith]

Heavy? I don't get it. Is there something wrong with the Earth's gravitational pull?



Wait....Heavy....Gravity....Pull....Moon....

GRAVITY IS PULLING THE MOON TO EORZEA

[Rydin]

In a previous CS in the same questline, (before you even use the echo), he states that he remembers you from 10 years ago. (the visit of the echo CS) So the echo is something that happened even before it was used.

1. he's in bed comatose, wakes up for a second and says he remembers you from 10 years ago.
2. later, you use the echo and appear before him ten years ago and "save" him in the cave

So the physical presence in the past is very real and it stood apart from you even knowing it happened. You did something in the past, ten years ago, without even knowing that you did... because you hadn't done it in the future yet.

Sorry for all the repetition, but I'm trying to make sense of it myself as i type it.

That is actually interesting... gives us all some stuff to think about

[BadOmen]

Quest spoiler below:

In one of the GC quests (Alive for Maelstrom), Cid implies that Dalamud is in fact a massive relic of the ancient civilization that predated ours (I cannot for the life of me remember what it was called). Whether or not that is actually true is yet to be seen, but there is definitely evidence that Dalamud is, in fact, "... not a moon... a space station".

Is the Mir Station!!!!

[Alerith]

Lunar Cry, FFVIII

Video of said Lunar Cry

Dalamud is a former orbital Allagan city. Then it becomes infested with monsters, hence the red hue.

REPENT! THE END IS NIGH!

[LillithaFenimore]

[Arcell]

I don't buy the echo theory because, as far as we've seen, you can only use it once at a time. By that I mean, while you are using echo you cannot currently use echo again to go further back. There is no precedent for a multi-level echo existing. Thus we cannot already be using echo as we use it in the current story. Plus it would be pretty lazy and kind of a cop-out. If they were really going to use an echo theory, why even go along with this whole Dalamud bit? Just say, well it was all an echo from a long time ago, the landscape has changed since.

Honestly that theory, if it was right, would kill any motivation I actually have to try and do the events to "stop" Dalamud. I mean if we're using echo then the events set in motion will happen no matter what, we cannot change them. Hate fate, it denies free will.

I'm still going with the, we destroy Dalamud but pieces of it still rain down upon Eorzea which changes the landscape, theory.