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  1. #21
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    Eraden's Avatar
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    Mao Xifeng
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    Quote Originally Posted by angienessyo View Post
    All I see here is RDM/SMN and the phys ranged need love. Machinist is really going through it there.
    Mao sad for Machinists. Is no excuse for makings job so poor in dps. Mao askings how long has Machinists been sufferings likes this?
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  3. #22
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    My only takeaway from the current DPS charts is that the melee; particularly VPR are disgustingly overtuned for their actual relative complexity. DRG, NIN and RPR are in a similar position

    Sure you can argue that BLM can be above PCT but VPR is the real offender here
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  4. #23
    Player CaedemSanguis's Avatar
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    Benedikta Harman
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    My only takeaway from the current DPS charts is that the melee; particularly VPR are disgustingly overtuned for their actual relative complexity. DRG, NIN and RPR are in a similar position

    Sure you can argue that BLM can be above PCT but VPR is the real offender here
    I find viper harder than drg/rpr to optimize
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  5. #24
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    Galen Amaranthe
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    So give it utility like PCT and move on. Not like the PCT heal is amazing.
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    Kinda Hungry
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    Quote Originally Posted by ApolloGenX View Post
    So give it utility like PCT and move on. Not like the PCT heal is amazing.
    Leaving it selfish dps is the non homogenous way to do it. This would work too, it's just job homogenization logic.

    It isn't just BLM either. PCT is eating RDM and SMN lunch too in clears.
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  7. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    Leaving it selfish dps is the non homogenous way to do it. This would work too, it's just job homogenization logic.

    It isn't just BLM either. PCT is eating RDM and SMN lunch too in clears.
    Selfish DPS is just an outdated concept, ignoring poor MCH (who barely even counts as selfish as it’s the only DPS with 2 non conditional mitigations) a DPS shouldn’t immediately always be in contention for top spot simply because they don’t bring anything to the raid besides damage

    There is also just the fact that where do you draw the line with utility? Is star prism utility (I’d say yes) is SAM’s disgusting new defensive that basically makes it an off tank utility (I’d say yes a lot of people say no)

    The modern game is built so heavily around raid buffs that every DPS should have some form of conditional utility (like star prism or SAM’s defensive) so that every single tier the top of the charts isn’t dominated by the same 3 classes who are there simply because they are selfish
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  8. #27
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    Tunda King
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    Ragnarok
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Selfish DPS is just an outdated concept, ignoring poor MCH (who barely even counts as selfish as it’s the only DPS with 2 non conditional mitigations) a DPS shouldn’t immediately always be in contention for top spot simply because they don’t bring anything to the raid besides damage

    There is also just the fact that where do you draw the line with utility? Is star prism utility (I’d say yes) is SAM’s disgusting new defensive that basically makes it an off tank utility (I’d say yes a lot of people say no)

    The modern game is built so heavily around raid buffs that every DPS should have some form of conditional utility (like star prism or SAM’s defensive) so that every single tier the top of the charts isn’t dominated by the same 3 classes who are there simply because they are selfish
    I would go against this

    All dps jobs should be selfish

    There should be another role in the game called "support"
    Which is not dps not tank not healer

    They should have supporting utilities every 2 min buffs
    Instead of giving it to all jobs and now we have tanks who heal more than healers(warrior)

    Dancer bard should be support role they do all buffs for party

    Light party:
    1 tank
    1 healer
    1dps
    1 support

    Full party:
    2 dps
    2 support
    2 healers
    2 tanks
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  9. #28
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    Poor Summoner
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  10. #29
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    Silver Strider
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    Famfrit
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    All I'm seeing from that chart is that PCT and VPR are busted and Ranged needs a hefty buff, including their honorary members of SMN/RDM.

    Rotational complexity aside, SAM and BLM I believe are in the most reasonable spots on the list, being middle of the road between jobs that have a lot of utility vs Jobs that have less utility. VPR needs to be brought down to that level so as to not be so overbearing. The other melees seem fine for the most part.

    MCH needs a hefty buff. As the "selfish" DPS of the Physical Ranged, even if we account for the ludicrousness of the Ranged Tax, it shouldn't be that much lower than NIN at the least, being somewhere in the ballpark of where the higher tier of RDMs is currently at, with DNC/BRD/SMN/RDM following suit, although I couldn't state if they should be above or below MCH. PCT is hard to place though. The motifs having such long cast times can be justification for having higher DPS but the added utility it brings is also hard to undercut as an AoE shield and an Indom every 2 minutes isn't something to just brush off either. It should also be down there with the other Ranged roles though.
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  11. #30
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    Aco Nale
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    Moogle
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    My only takeaway from the current DPS charts is that the melee; particularly VPR are disgustingly overtuned for their actual relative complexity. DRG, NIN and RPR are in a similar position

    Sure you can argue that BLM can be above PCT but VPR is the real offender here
    DRG... overtuned? I guess we live in different realities.

    Anyway, what BLM needs is fixing the elements that BLM players find rigid or badly implemented such as Thunder and Flare Star.
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