My only takeaway from the current DPS charts is that the melee; particularly VPR are disgustingly overtuned for their actual relative complexity. DRG, NIN and RPR are in a similar position
Sure you can argue that BLM can be above PCT but VPR is the real offender here
I find viper harder than drg/rpr to optimizeMy only takeaway from the current DPS charts is that the melee; particularly VPR are disgustingly overtuned for their actual relative complexity. DRG, NIN and RPR are in a similar position
Sure you can argue that BLM can be above PCT but VPR is the real offender here
So give it utility like PCT and move on. Not like the PCT heal is amazing.
Selfish DPS is just an outdated concept, ignoring poor MCH (who barely even counts as selfish as it’s the only DPS with 2 non conditional mitigations) a DPS shouldn’t immediately always be in contention for top spot simply because they don’t bring anything to the raid besides damage
There is also just the fact that where do you draw the line with utility? Is star prism utility (I’d say yes) is SAM’s disgusting new defensive that basically makes it an off tank utility (I’d say yes a lot of people say no)
The modern game is built so heavily around raid buffs that every DPS should have some form of conditional utility (like star prism or SAM’s defensive) so that every single tier the top of the charts isn’t dominated by the same 3 classes who are there simply because they are selfish
As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.
I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess
I would go against thisSelfish DPS is just an outdated concept, ignoring poor MCH (who barely even counts as selfish as it’s the only DPS with 2 non conditional mitigations) a DPS shouldn’t immediately always be in contention for top spot simply because they don’t bring anything to the raid besides damage
There is also just the fact that where do you draw the line with utility? Is star prism utility (I’d say yes) is SAM’s disgusting new defensive that basically makes it an off tank utility (I’d say yes a lot of people say no)
The modern game is built so heavily around raid buffs that every DPS should have some form of conditional utility (like star prism or SAM’s defensive) so that every single tier the top of the charts isn’t dominated by the same 3 classes who are there simply because they are selfish
All dps jobs should be selfish
There should be another role in the game called "support"
Which is not dps not tank not healer
They should have supporting utilities every 2 min buffs
Instead of giving it to all jobs and now we have tanks who heal more than healers(warrior)
Dancer bard should be support role they do all buffs for party
Light party:
1 tank
1 healer
1dps
1 support
Full party:
2 dps
2 support
2 healers
2 tanks
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All I'm seeing from that chart is that PCT and VPR are busted and Ranged needs a hefty buff, including their honorary members of SMN/RDM.
Rotational complexity aside, SAM and BLM I believe are in the most reasonable spots on the list, being middle of the road between jobs that have a lot of utility vs Jobs that have less utility. VPR needs to be brought down to that level so as to not be so overbearing. The other melees seem fine for the most part.
MCH needs a hefty buff. As the "selfish" DPS of the Physical Ranged, even if we account for the ludicrousness of the Ranged Tax, it shouldn't be that much lower than NIN at the least, being somewhere in the ballpark of where the higher tier of RDMs is currently at, with DNC/BRD/SMN/RDM following suit, although I couldn't state if they should be above or below MCH. PCT is hard to place though. The motifs having such long cast times can be justification for having higher DPS but the added utility it brings is also hard to undercut as an AoE shield and an Indom every 2 minutes isn't something to just brush off either. It should also be down there with the other Ranged roles though.
DRG... overtuned? I guess we live in different realities.My only takeaway from the current DPS charts is that the melee; particularly VPR are disgustingly overtuned for their actual relative complexity. DRG, NIN and RPR are in a similar position
Sure you can argue that BLM can be above PCT but VPR is the real offender here
Anyway, what BLM needs is fixing the elements that BLM players find rigid or badly implemented such as Thunder and Flare Star.
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