Dark Knight Megathread

[Kitkat]

Who? Almost all suggestions I've seen include some form of self-sustain. I've said before that DRK doesn't need as much sustain as other tanks, but it definitely needs more than it has now. At very least it needs to have its HPS brought up to GNB levels (absorbs from TBN included).

Answered your own question, didn't you? 'Almost all' is not 'Everyone' therefor the statement was accurate.

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I very well understand the breakdown of each tanks strengths and weaknesses, I also understand how they scale also. The suggestion was based on how to improve what is already in the kit to make the job more desirable for content. Also, TBN scales off the target players HP%, not the drk using it IE a Drk with 150k HP doesn't give a Shield of 37,500 to someone else other than themselves or someone else with 150k hp. Similarly, Shake it off works this same way, it is 15% of the targets HP, not based off the War using it HP (The only change occurs when used with modifying abilities up like ToB, Damnation, Bloodwhetting changing it to 17%, 19%, or 21% of the targets HP and is easy to test and verify). Thus the suggestion given ends up only 10~4% stronger than Shake it off and they could make it similar to how they have Rphys Dmg mit shields where they can't overlap with one another. This makes it to where it becomes an alternating option of raid wide mitigation similar to how paring a War and Pld already can do.


Divine Veil on the other hand scales on the PLD's HP IE a Pld with 150K HP gives a 15k shield, a Pld with 200k HP gives 20k shield.


Alternatively they could make it so the wording on using Dark Missionary states "When used with The Blackest Knight will spread effect to party absorbing a total of X% of targets maximum HP" where X can be a different % of what the single target ability gives since it is a separate ability.


Again, the intent was to offer alternative ideas to simply giving self sustain and instead playing off the mentality that Drk is a Mitigation tank opposed to other tanks being Self Sustain/mit.

[Shurrikhan]

I very well understand the breakdown of each tanks strengths and weaknesses, I also understand how they scale also. The suggestion was based on how to improve what is already in the kit to make the job more desirable for content.

Also, TBN scales off the target players HP%, not the drk using it.

Again, the intent was to offer alternative ideas to simply giving self sustain and instead playing off the mentality that Drk is a Mitigation tank opposed to other tanks being Self Sustain/mit.

Okay, and my post had nothing to do with the strengths and weaknesses of the tanks as they are presently, but merely tried to answer your question as to why players weren't suggesting increases to DRK survivability based purely on stat-based mitigation, etc. Which is, again, because for it's that much less possible to balance for multiple content types simultaneously and because there is already, in nearly all situations, an inherent advantage to mitigation over healing.

Yes, TBN scales off its target's HP, but prey tell, whom is it used on in situations where DRK's total survivability falls to the lowest portion of that of other tanks'?

I'm all for approaching its survivability a bit more uniquely, but beware of making that uniqueness primarily just be that it's generally stronger in practice (see Warrior's historical trend).

[Kitkat]

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Making it one way, and giving alternative suggestions are two different things. Some are complaining 'Think outside of the box' so there it is, thinking outside of the box. Thinking of minor alternative tweaks to give the job something else other than simple tack on of self sustain. What few options drk has for assisting the party is made moot and heavily overshadowed, so yes thinking of something that could be just as strong does come out, but that doesn't mean it or content can't be tuned to keep it from being extremely over powered.