Nothing will get fixed if the community allows culture warriors to seize control

[Reimmi]

I think your anger is misplaced. Sometimes when criticizing these things today (which, tbh, has been a thing since the release of Shadowbringers) you will always find some dude bringing out that the reason this happened is because Square Enix invested way too much money in the "ethics" department and the conversation will devolve from there.

As for the story, this hatred for the MSQ was up in EW, SB and even ShB at some point. If you don't believe me just look in the forums.

For instance ... EW is bad: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/470440

EW was nowhere *near* this level of criticism of the msq, there was like, 1 single megathread. Dawntrail has dozens and one that has already approached the EW thread

[Volgia]

EW was nowhere *near* this level of criticism of the msq, there was like, 1 single megathread. Dawntrail has dozens and one that has already approached the EW thread

Please, there was thread after thread. Then the Post MSQ was teared to shreds, then you got all the content creators saying that the expansion was horribly boring. People saying that the devs tried to gaslight us into liking Venat, people hating on Zero, lol.

[Raven2014]

Please, there was thread after thread.

No there wasn't.

Then the Post MSQ was teared to shreds

irrelevant because no one is talking about DT's post MSq, or you're trying to be unfair on purpose?

[Volgia]

No there wasn't.

Yes there was, not to mention the amount of Reddit posts and other stuff you guys keep bringing up as "evidence" for DT to be "generally hated".

irrelevant because no one is talking about DT's post MSq, or you're trying to be unfair on purpose?

How is that unfair? You're talking about the writing and story quality, it's all in there in how people just straight up hated the MSQ. Or is the post-MSQ supposed to have it's own review now?

I'll be honest though, because I agree that there are some major flaws this game, but I don't know why you're blaming Dawntrail when this has been going downhill (Job design, repetitive narrative, etc) since Shadowbringers. You're either choosing not to remember the complaining or just straight up ignoring it.

[Raven2014]

How is that unfair? You're talking about the writing and story quality, it's all in there in how people just straight up hated the MSQ.

I'll tell you what fair:


MSQ to MSQ: that is fair.

Post MSQ to post MSQ: that is fair.

MSQ + post MSQ to MSQ + post MSQ: that is fair.

MSQ + post MSQ to only MSQ: on what planet is that fair?


Like ... if you have 2 full course meal. Either you compare the matching items one at a time (i.e entree to entree, desert to desert), or you compare the entire course. You don't compare one dish in one to the entire other course ... why do I even have to explain this?

Or is the post-MSQ supposed to have it's own review now?

Why not? Wasn't that what happened last time any way? People loved EW's MSQ and hate the post-MSQ, it's obvious people weren't treating them the same. And if DT's post MSQ manage to redeem, it'll receive a similar reaction.

Also, I'm not even sure what your point is. But I'll tell you this, if your intention is to defend the current writing team, than what you're trying to say is actually a self-owning. The fact that the previous team (Ishikawa and co) were in charge of the good portion of EW (MSQ), and the post story was handed over to the current team. So if anything, in term of personel and overall quality, EW post-MSQ has more in common to DT's MSQ than EW's MSQ. No wonder why they both suck so much.