Just discontinued subscription due to Wuk and increased wokeness across SE corp.

[Alice_Rivers]

But we are special. Everyone else with the Echo were not portrayed as also immensely powerful in combat. Minphilia couldn't fight at all, and neither could Krile until recently. We were usually called in as "the one and only" to solve all kinds of the universe's problems. Even among combatants, neither Fordola nor Ardbert ultimately could withstand a battle against the WoL.

We have so many Mary Sue moments in this game, it's hard to believe they go unnoticed by some. We are just uniquely powerful, competent, and our mere presensce often inspires NPCs around us from a mere one-liner dialouge option. We have very few flaws as a character and more often than not our involvement results in victory or changes in heart from everyone around us.

We're just a combat and fetch specialist, nothing wrong with that, we're not called upon to look at the future or navigate politics the way Krile and Minphilia do. Fordola may be an inferior combatant to us, sure, but as I recall she was unbeaten until we arrived did put up a fight against us. Ardbert and co would have beaten us if not for Urianger's betrayal. And you conveniently leave out all the times Zenos canonically wiped the floor with us. The WoL might one day take up strategy and may even be good at it but we're not there yet, that's still Alphinaud's purview.

Similarly there's nothing wrong with our presence inspiring NPCs, renowned individuals have that effect, you need only look through history to see that. A rumour of a successful tactician arriving or the flag of an elite unit showing up can turn entire battlefields, sometimes without the actual person or unit in question even being there. I'd bet if a Garlean force was losing badly and Gaius showed up whether alone or with reinforcements, they would be inspired to fight harder too.

[Brignadalee]

Move along, they "unsubbed" remember?

[Alice_Rivers]

Move along, they "unsubbed" remember?

The fire doesn't go out because the first branch or even tree it started on ceases to exist, it finds new fuel and grows until it runs out of fuel or air or an outside force intervenes and puts it out.

[ZephyrMenodora]

We're just a combat and fetch specialist, nothing wrong with that, we're not called upon to look at the future or navigate politics the way Krile and Minphilia do. Fordola may be an inferior combatant to us, sure, but as I recall she was unbeaten until we arrived did put up a fight against us. Ardbert and co would have beaten us if not for Urianger's betrayal. And you conveniently leave out all the times Zenos canonically wiped the floor with us. The WoL might one day take up strategy and may even be good at it but we're not there yet, that's still Alphinaud's purview.

Similarly there's nothing wrong with our presence inspiring NPCs, renowned individuals have that effect, you need only look through history to see that. A rumour of a successful tactician arriving or the flag of an elite unit showing up can turn entire battlefields, sometimes without the actual person or unit in question even being there. I'd bet if a Garlean force was losing badly and Gaius showed up whether alone or with reinforcements, they would be inspired to fight harder too.

Look at it this way. The WoL is so absurd, and such a Mary Sue, that no RP guild in existence would let a member Roleplay as this character. It's pretty much an unwritten rule that no one would have fun in RP dealing with such a character, so powerful are they, so universally popular and beloved, BFFs with every nation's rulers in existence, that it would be a nuisance RPing around this character.

The MSQ alone would propel the WoL to Mary Sue status. As early as "only you can face the Primals without getting tempered!" to being the sole person standing in EW. (DT is another story, with the new WoL - Wuk of Lamat - randomly falling into dimensional rifts and doing more damage than an entire party of WoLs despite only appearing late in the fight. But whatever.)

The WoL becomes more and more absurd if they are an omni-leveller like I am. You literally are the most competent/powerful practitioner of every art known to man, usually surpassing your master by the end despite only just starting your training. A lot of times you are one of the only people alive with access to the art. It's crazy. Even the most powerful characters in XIV are limited to a couple jobs, maybe 3 at most for the most powerful NPCs. Even those are weaker than we are.

The number of times I've been called the Savior of something or the sole impetus behind success is comical at this point. In not just the MSQ, but every Job/Role quest.

[Brignadalee]

The fire doesn't go out because the first branch or even tree it started on ceases to exist, it finds new fuel and grows until it runs out of fuel or air or an outside force intervenes and puts it out.

*Stormtrooper impression*
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[Andevom]

It took you a month to decide this triggered you enough to unsub? Lol, okay.

[Chiru_Kai]

I appreciate the genuine answer. I will focus only on Example A because I don't want to derail this too much with the other examples. One could make the argument that it is hard not to make it about transgender when companies are often implementing DEI hiring practices and for someone who believed that, this would appear to be one such case since it does not make sense why the VA quality is markedly lower than other recent major characters. It is difficult to voice things like this without offending the other side and making them immediately think you are a bigot. What if the reason this trans VA was hired by the company really was because she was trans so they were given prefential treatment in the VA casting role for the MC of Dawntrail? How does one voice such a concern without appearing as a bigot for voicing that view? Whether you think this view makes them bigoted or not, there are plenty of people who would automatically write that person off as a bigot.

A lot of people misunderstand DEI. You seem to be one of them.

We have a society. Let's say that 2% of people are *insert_minority_here*.
Then logically speaking, any company, institution, and etc will, in an equal world, sorta come close to a 2% representation of that minority as well. But, this is not often the case.
DEI just aims to make people aware of that ratio.

It's not a perfect system. You can criticize it. But usually the people criticizing it don't criticize the execution of it, they just say "it's bad, it needs to go away", meaning they disagree with the concept entirely and then do a little handwave as if it explains all the bad things that corporations do.
Disagreement with the concept entirely is often rooted in bigotry. Because if you believe in equality and equity like a decent human being should, DEI is just... nothing to be worried about.

More arguments can be along the lines of "they intentionally hire worse people for the job just to meet DEI requirements". Again, such an argument is often rooted in an assumption that the minority hire was not the best option available. That all the hire could do was meet some sort of DEI quota for representation. But that is a WILD guess, and it shows some unspoken judgement on the decision. Because you would not be blaming DEI or some such for the bad performance of the hire, if the bad hire wasn't a minority. You can just point out "that was a mistake" without ever mentioning DEI or the hire's minority status. But the simple fact that someone DOES do that, is just a dead giveaway what they think.
Correct implementation of DEI means that, given all things are equal, and two people apply to the same job with the same qualifications and the same experience, but one of them is a minority. Then DEI guidelines might tip the scales and give a benefit to someone part of a minority group IF it leads to better representation of that minority within the corporation. But we do not know who else was approached to be the voice of Wuk Lamat, for example. So to claim the 'bad performance' is because of "DEI preferable treatment", is a logical leap that can be easily interpreted as bigotry against a minority.

[Teno]

Mods don't exist or care

Small correction : they only exist in JP. But yes it amounts to no care about any region other than JP.

[Bonoki]

Y'all, it's 46 pages of this bait now. Let them "unsub" and move on lmao

Kinda wild that this thread is still up

Mods don't exist or care

Move along, they "unsubbed" remember?

*Stormtrooper impression*
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Every time someone posts a comment like "I can't believe this is still up!" you're actually bringing the thread back to the front page, making it seem more active than it is. If you want the thread to fade away, it's better to avoid commenting altogether. Your remarks contribute less to the discussion than the off-topic posts do.

[Maxilor]

I'm going to post monkey pictures because who cares.


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