Just discontinued subscription due to Wuk and increased wokeness across SE corp.

[angienessyo]

How is more therapy going to help? Have me talk to a therapist, while what is going on continues to happen? This is personal, but not on a one-on-one. I do not see my kindness and acceptance as weakness. Though you have to understand, some do. I'm not talking about those who belittled me as "weak and pathetic", (even though those people are just as vile), i'm talking about those who would take my tolerance and acceptance for granted. Those who would exploit it for personal gain. Do you really think there are not smaller vocal groups of LGBTQ++ and such that would love to have privileges and be openly bigoted because it's acceptable?

You want me to go to a therapist, but what good is that going to do? Make it so I feel better about my tolerance and acceptance being taken for granted when it does happen? Make me accept that there are a vocal minority that not already has powerful influence, but are getting stronger? Make me feel like it's OK that when I do speak out about injustices toward me or straight white males in general, i'm to be admonished? Make me feel it's OK when everything I've gone through and worked for is reduced to "Straight White Male Privilege", and I don't deserve anything? That my feelings and who I am as a human being doesn't mean a damn thing to them? That I am "lesser" because of it?

These types of people do exist, and they aren't even trying to hide it. All because they have a "virtuous shield" to hide behind, and because people like me won't say anything out for fear of being vilified.

I mean, the amount of rage you have towards the issue is unhealthy, and in your own words it came from a bad experience you had with an LGBT person. Therapists help with anger issues. I'm an LGBT woman that was physically beaten by a straight guy to the point of being hospitalized but I was never like "well, all straight guys are bad" because I had one bad thing happen to me. A lot of my friends are straight guys, why would I hate them because one guy hurt me? Therapy helped me deal with my pain and fear in a healthy way. Therapy would be helpful for you too.

[ZephyrMenodora]

But isn't the Warrior of Light the literal "chosen one", perfect and powerful from the beginning? Sure, we lose here and there, but in the end the WoL always saves everyone's asses.

If I made the WoL a strong female Roegadyn, how is that not woke by your definition?

Would you be this upset if Wuk Lamat was a dude?

I don't think creating your own character, and being forced to interact with a Mary Sue NPC are the same thing. (Removing the issue of whether I find Wuk to be "woke" or not, which I don't.)

I'd have found Wuk just as annoying if the character was male, since I view this as a writing issue, and would have also the same critiques if he was poorly acted.

[Isala]

But isn't the Warrior of Light the literal "chosen one", perfect and powerful from the beginning? Sure, we lose here and there, but in the end the WoL always saves everyone's asses.

If I made the WoL a strong female Roegadyn, how is that not woke by your definition?

Would you be this upset if Wuk Lamat was a dude?

There's a reason the WoL is the "Chosen one", and it's shown in the very beginning. We're empowered by the Mothercrystal. As are any other characters with the Echo. It's not just us. And it's explained several times through Middy, the Ascians, that this is weakening her to do so. It's why they created even more WoLs on the first. This is also why our blessing is taken away from us until we earn it back. There is a cost to using our power too much.

Wuk doesn't have that. She literally falls upward. She fails, and then suddenly, within the span of a few quests, is fifty times more powerful. There was no training, there was no earning, there wasn't even an explanation. THAT is a Mary Sue.

[Pepperblue]

I don't think creating your own character, and being forced to interact with a Mary Sue NPC are the same thing. (Removing the issue of whether I find Wuk to be "woke" or not, which I don't.)

I'd have found Wuk just as annoying if the character was male, since I view this as a writing issue, and would have also the same critiques if he was poorly acted.

I have literally never seen posts complaining about a male character being perceived as having no flaws.

Just call bad acting or bad writing what it is, there's nothing woke or political about the writers simply not doing a good enough job, as the OP seems to imply

[ZephyrMenodora]

There's a reason the WoL is the "Chosen one", and it's shown in the very beginning. We're empowered by the Mothercrystal. As are any other characters with the Echo. It's not just us. And it's explained several times through Middy, the Ascians, that this is weakening her to do so. It's why they created even more WoLs on the first. This is also why our blessing is taken away from us until we earn it back. There is a cost to using our power too much.

Wuk doesn't have that. She literally falls upward. She fails, and then suddenly, within the span of a few quests, is fifty times more powerful. There was no training, there was no earning, there wasn't even an explanation. THAT is a Mary Sue.

I think the WoL is a Mary Sue also. Being special even with a lore reason still makes us Special. We also by the end of the story have the densest soul in the world.

We also excel at anything and everything, often surpassing people who spent their entire lifetimes mastering a combat style/craft in short periods of time.

I'm fine with this though since we are the playable character, so I don't mind being this powerful presence and enjoying a high status in the world.

A new NPC pushing us out of the spotlight as the player and getting immense completely unearned power is another issue that I find less tolerable.

[Pepperblue]

There's a reason the WoL is the "Chosen one", and it's shown in the very beginning. We're empowered by the Mothercrystal. As are any other characters with the Echo. It's not just us. And it's explained several times through Middy, the Ascians, that this is weakening her to do so. It's why they created even more WoLs on the first. This is also why our blessing is taken away from us until we earn it back. There is a cost to using our power too much.

Wuk doesn't have that. She literally falls upward. She fails, and then suddenly, within the span of a few quests, is fifty times more powerful. There was no training, there was no earning, there wasn't even an explanation. THAT is a Mary Sue.

I'm pretty sure the only reason Lamat succeeded at all is because the mothercrystal Mary Sue that is the Warrior of Light carried the shit out of her. If we weren't there she would have straight up lost almost immediately.

[TKOtheKDR]

But isn't the Warrior of Light the literal "chosen one", perfect and powerful from the beginning? Sure, we lose here and there, but in the end the WoL always saves everyone's asses.

The WoL is a player character and silent protagonist. The progression and "character" growth they go through is the entirety of our playthrough--grinding mobs and killing bosses are the progression that Wuk never endures.

If I made the WoL a strong female Roegadyn, how is that not woke by your definition?

There are strong female Roegadyn in the FF universe, and they are more hardy and stoic than females in other races--just look at Merlwyb. They're basically written as tall Tolkienesque dwarves, only with sexual dimorphism and without an obsession for mining and living in caves. Again, it's the fact that Wuk was written to be the "strong and powerful leader" without having to undergo any significant sacrifice or character development; she Didn't Earn It.

Would you be this upset if Wuk Lamat was a dude?

Yes. A bad character is a bad character. However, the choices made with the character design and voice actor do compound the errors.

[Pepperblue]

The WoL is a player character and silent protagonist. The progression and "character" growth they go through is the entirety of our playthrough--grinding mobs and killing bosses are the progression that Wuk never endures.



There are strong female Roegadyn in the FF universe, and they are more hardy and stoic than females in other races--just look at Merlwyb. They're basically written as tall Tolkienesque dwarves, only with sexual dimorphism and without an obsession for mining and living in caves. Again, it's the fact that Wuk was written to be the "strong and powerful leader" without having to undergo any significant sacrifice or character development; she Didn't Earn It.



Yes. A bad character is a bad character. However, the choices made with the character design and voice actor do compound the errors.

Can't a character simply be bad without being labeled woke or political? Can't writers simply just fail without ppl blaming something else for it?

[TKOtheKDR]

It's comical to me that people are confusing a player character with a Mary Sue. By definition, the player character is YOU, the person who paid for the game, subscription, and sits at a computer day after day bashing the keyboard. By that definition, time spent playing is the character development, which amounts to potentially hundreds of hours. Engaging in such a time-consuming activity is the antithesis of a Mary Sue.

A Mary Sue on the other hand, is a type of character who is depicted as unrealistically lacking in flaws or weaknesses. That term originated from 70's Star Trek fan fiction.

The discussion confusing a player character with a Mary Sue is either one made in ignorance, or, in my opinion, is to distract that Wuk was written as such and to denigrate the term so it has no effective meaning--such as the argument has gone regarding the concept of "woke".

[ZephyrMenodora]

I have literally never seen posts complaining about a male character being perceived as having no flaws.

Just call bad acting or bad writing what it is, there's nothing woke or political about the writers simply not doing a good enough job, as the OP seems to imply

Can you think of any male character that completely drowned out the WoL for an entire expansion, and also had no meaningful flaws?

I've seen people dislike a lot of male characters, but yes for reasons other than being flawless. I'm just wondering if you have examples of characters thus far who qualify for the same critique.