Just discontinued subscription due to Wuk and increased wokeness across SE corp.

[SlickPaws]

Conveniently ignoring the thread title and first post.

Conveniently ignoring a decade or so of overbearing left-wing activism in all spaces of the internet and in public life, all of whom called themselves "woke" until very recently. But thanks for not even attempting to engage with anything I actually said regarding the term. OP only used it because it's been in the public consciousness for quite some time now.

[TBerry]

Conveniently ignoring a decade or so of overbearing left-wing activism in all spaces of the internet and in public life, all of whom called themselves "woke" until very recently. But thanks for not even attempting to engage with anything I actually said regarding the term. OP only used it because it's been in the public consciousness for quite some time now.

The very topic complained about, using the word "wokeness".
What a surprise.

[TKOtheKDR]

Conveniently ignoring a decade or so of overbearing left-wing activism in all spaces of the internet and in public life, all of whom called themselves "woke" until very recently. But thanks for not even attempting to engage with anything I actually said regarding the term. OP only used it because it's been in the public consciousness for quite some time now.

The concept of "woke" is also most likely why an entire expansion was centered around such an unlikable character, and why, (at least for English), the voice actor was chosen to play Wuk Lamat despite lacking the required talent; "diversity" over meritocracy. (Even the character design of Wuk Lamat shows that some thought was put into ticking "diversity" boxes, such as character model, weapon poses, upper body clothing somewhere between a sports bra and a chest binder, as well as the character concept itself--a quasi-androgynous masculinized female (?) Mary Sue.) "Wokeism" is also certainly why, be it in these forums or anywhere else in the real world, straight-white-male-Caucasians, those resembling that category, or those who believe that diversity is the indirect effect of a population's constituency--not an overt goal used to subvert or oppress the native population, are not permitted to criticize those within the panoply of the critical race theory hierarchy without being baselessly accused of some type of discrimination.

[SlickPaws]

The very topic complained about, using the word "wokeness".
What a surprise.

A term that has been popularised by left-wing activists for the past decade or so, like I've now said three times. The problem is that you're saying "OP used the term woke and is therefore a bad person" but the reality is that, because "woke" has been a word in public discourse for a long time, it's common enough that anyone with any sort of criticism will be using it as a label... Because it's the label they gave themselves. Left-wing activists now cringe at the term they painted all over themselves as centrists, anarchists, conversatives, libertarians and every other corner of the political compass criticises them for. It may come as an additional surprise to learn that the vast majority of people reject the ideology completely, both in the West where it's been perpetuated and in the rest of the world where your "tolerance" wouldn't be tolerated.

[TBerry]

A term that has been popularised by left-wing activists for the past decade or so, like I've now said three times. The problem is that you're saying "OP used the term woke and is therefore a bad person" but the reality is that, because "woke" has been a word in public discourse for a long time, it's common enough that anyone with any sort of criticism will be using it as a label... Because it's the label they gave themselves. Left-wing activists now cringe at the term they painted all over themselves as centrists, anarchists, conversatives, libertarians and every other corner of the political compass criticises them for. It may come as an additional surprise to learn that the vast majority of people reject the ideology completely, both in the West where it's been perpetuated and in the rest of the world where your "tolerance" wouldn't be tolerated.

You're trying to argue semantics while OP decries woke compleining about SE and the VA.

[SlickPaws]

The concept of "woke" is also most likely why an entire expansion was centered around such an unlikable character, and why, (at least for English), the voice actor was chosen to play Wuk Lamat despite lacking the required talent; "diversity" over meritocracy. (Even the character design of Wuk Lamat shows that some thought was put into ticking "diversity" boxes, such as character model, weapon poses, upper body clothing somewhere between a sports bra and a chest binder, as well as the character concept itself--a quasi-androgynous masculinized female (?) Mary Sue.) "Wokeism" is also certainly why, be it in these forums or anywhere else in the real world, straight-white-male-Caucasians, those resembling that category, or those who believe that diversity is the indirect effect of a population's constituency--not an overt goal used to subvert or oppress the native population, are not permitted to criticize those within the panoply of the critical race theory hierarchy without being baselessly accused of some type of discrimination.

I will say that despite my positions in this thread, I didn't find DT to be particularly "woke" especially in comparison to a lot of Western media and video games. I never liked Wuk Lamat, but it's for most of the reasons everyone's said... I just feel like she was very forced and we followed her around like a lost puppy, being let off the leash to attack something every now and again. But I don't think the game is overly woke content-wise... It's just the same tropes we've seen before in anime about the power of friendship, and Wuk is really just another naive anime girl. I also skipped every cutscene that wasn't voiced after the first few levels of MSQ, so I'm not in a position to really sit and criticise the finer points of the MSQ. If anything, my own personal issues with DT are just FF burnout. The reason I've kind of peeked my head in here and said my piece is because the community is insufferably woke and the dogpiling on you is nothing but spiteful. With each new post telling you to leave, or that you never belonged in the first place, they prove that point.

You're trying to argue semantics while OP decries woke compleining about SE and the VA.

You're trying to paint the OP as some kind of bigot due to his choice of words, which would be the words anyone would use to criticise the ideology. Engage with his arguments, not his word choice and then you can criticise me for wanting to "argue semantics."

[LuciferMournstar]

I'm not using go to therapy as an insult. I myself have been to therapy for my own issues in the past. Considering what this person's posts are talking about, they do actually need to get some help to deal with a lot of their rage over something personal that happened to them. They're currently dealing with it in a way that's destructive.

How is more therapy going to help? Have me talk to a therapist, while what is going on continues to happen? This is personal, but not on a one-on-one. I do not see my kindness and acceptance as weakness. Though you have to understand, some do. I'm not talking about those who belittled me as "weak and pathetic", (even though those people are just as vile), i'm talking about those who would take my tolerance and acceptance for granted. Those who would exploit it for personal gain. Do you really think there are not smaller vocal groups of LGBTQ++ and such that would love to have privileges and be openly bigoted because it's acceptable?

You want me to go to a therapist, but what good is that going to do? Make it so I feel better about my tolerance and acceptance being taken for granted when it does happen? Make me accept that there are a vocal minority that not already has powerful influence, but are getting stronger? Make me feel like it's OK that when I do speak out about injustices toward me or straight white males in general, i'm to be admonished? Make me feel it's OK when everything I've gone through and worked for is reduced to "Straight White Male Privilege", and I don't deserve anything? That my feelings and who I am as a human being doesn't mean a damn thing to them? That I am "lesser" because of it?

These types of people do exist, and they aren't even trying to hide it. All because they have a "virtuous shield" to hide behind, and because people like me won't say anything out for fear of being vilified.

[Volgia]

"Wokeism" is also certainly why, be it in these forums or anywhere else in the real world, straight-white-male-Caucasians, those resembling that category, or those who believe that diversity is the indirect effect of a population's constituency--not an overt goal used to subvert or oppress the native population, are not permitted to criticize those within the panoply of the critical race theory hierarchy without being baselessly accused of some type of discrimination.

I mean this is it, this is why I can't take Wuk Lamat haters seriously.

[TBerry]

IYou're trying to paint the OP as some kind of bigot due to his choice of words, which would be the words anyone would use to criticise the ideology. Engage with his arguments, not his word choice and then you can criticise me for wanting to "argue semantics."

When someone uses woke like that it's never in good way. Ypiu've been trying to deflect and shift blame in the last 4 replies or so, but clearly it hasn't worked.

[SlickPaws]

When someone uses woke like that it's never in good way. Ypiu've been trying to deflect and shift blame in the last 4 replies or so, but clearly it hasn't worked.

No, I've been trying to point out to you that you're completely ignoring that old adage about "never judge a book by its cover" and unironically posted a comment effectively saying: "This guy used the term woke as a criticism, and therefore is a bigot." It's been said many times in this thread that the ones who are claiming the most empathy, care and love for their fellow man are also the ones throwing labels, spewing the most toxic vitriol and actively bullying other members of the FFXIV community along the grounds of political opinion. Every time the hypocrisy is pointed out, we get "muh PaRaDoX oF tOlErAnCe" as if having a name for your dehumanising behaviour somehow excuses it. This is why the pushback against activists is so hard amongst the gaming community... We don't want your nonsense here, we just want to play video games and escape from the monotonous existence of life, but you continually don't allow us to do that by forcing real-world political issues into the forefront of these games. Be it in the Triple-A gaming market where games like Spiderman 2 were met with insane criticism due to it pushing a gender agenda, or way of looking at the world... And we also see these SAME games get released in the international market with many of these features mysteriously removed. It's very clear that Western developers are forcing these ideas into games, so it's a valid criticism that a game has gone "woke" when it starts to include these themes and symbols. Personally, I disagree with the OP, I don't think that FF is very woke but at least I'm engaging with his argument instead of dismissing him as some kind of hateful slime that's beneath me.