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  1. #151
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    Quote Originally Posted by BakoolJaJa View Post
    Mongolian language, pronunciation and the corresponding accent when speaking English do not come with DNA. Does this really need to be explained??

    Sena's roots do NOT make her Puerto Rican. Same as her German roots do not make her German. Same as my roots do not make me Mongolian. And those same roots do not magically impart correct accents to us. THAT is what the conversation was about. There is NOTHING toxic about these statements. There is no hate in them. You guys argued that her accent is correct because she has latino roots. That is not how DNA works. That is not how accents work.

    I am genuinely baffled that I even have to type out this comment, that's how absurd it is that this needs to be explained. Now I'll patiently wait until I get accused of being toxic again... over literally nothing...
    Why do you keep insinuating that I think people are born with accents and it has something to do with their DNA? Where did I say that?? You pick up accents primarily in the home growing up. Especially listening to your parents. What is the correct accent for Wuk Lamat?
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  2. #152
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheapshot View Post
    Why do you keep insinuating that I think people are born with accents and it has something to do with their DNA? Where did I say that?? You pick up accents primarily in the home growing up. Especially listening to your parents. What is the correct accent for Wuk Lamat?
    Maybe because of this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cheapshot View Post
    The VA is Puerto Rican.
    That was your response quoting people mentioning how fake the accent sounds?
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  3. #153
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    I've read through the replies and I wanna jump in and speak my piece as a Latino (Mexican, as in, born and lived in Mexico for 20+ years).

    First of all, I'm sorry to the US Citizens of this forum, but growing up in the US and being part of an ethnic group doesn't automatically makes you a member of that culture, and it reflects how the US still tries to pretend it's a microcosm of the entire planet. If my neighbor John Smith was born in Mexico, raised in Mexico, and happens to be of Brittish Heritage, that doesn't make him Brittish if he only has a surface understanding of how Brittish culture is. Same thing, people of latino heritage born and raised in the US develop a completely different culture; for a good example, see the whole "Oye Primos!" controversy, on how poorly received it was by latin americans in general despite being made by a "latina" for "latin americans" when it was, in fact, made for people of latin american heritage RAISED in the US.

    Wuk Lamat's VA is by all means, an American. Same with plenty of the voice actors. I'm honestly sick of this "ethnicity based voice casting" when in the end 90% of them will be Americans with a pallete swap. The people who made some of the voices seem to think we speak like Dora the Explorer. Wuk Lamat's VA DID NOT make a praise worthy job and that's not a subjective opinion, it's a fact. You can like what she did but it doesn't change the fact it's not a good job; I love the Venom movies and that doesn't automatically make them good, by all means, they're objectively bad films.

    Also, the cultural research they did for the supposed "representation" of our cultures is surface level at best and "they did their homework, but did nothing with it" at worst. I mean, just look at the effing Taco, that's not even how authentic mexican tacos are.
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  4. #154
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldath View Post
    I mean, just look at the effing Taco, that's not even how authentic mexican tacos are.
    You know what, I’m tired. I don’t care anymore. I’m wrong and I hand things over to this person.
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  5. #155
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    Look, I don't hate Wuk Lamat and I don't care much about the VA behind it, despite some Twitter cringe.
    But this is a bit much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aldath View Post
    Also, the cultural research they did for the supposed "representation" of our cultures is surface level at best and "they did their homework, but did nothing with it" at worst. I mean, just look at the effing Taco, that's not even how authentic mexican tacos are.
    I will say that tacos seems to be like the latest food trend in Japan (or at least it was last time I checked). Japan is a place that takes and adapt dishes to their cuisine, so personally, I don't fault them much on that. They are far away, they wanted to do something they viewed as cool and unique and inspired in something but clearly not accurate.

    The ones that went with the "We did our homework" was the localization side of things, and they messed up.

    But if I have to get nitpicky... we don't even have tacos in the zone Yok Tural is inspired on. Hell, mexican food is something that arrived rather recently where I live and the restaurants that sell it are ridiculously expensive and not that common.
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  7. #157
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheapshot View Post
    You know what, I’m tired. I don’t care anymore. I’m wrong and I hand things over to this person.
    Not the most graceful way to bow out and admit you're wrong, but at least you did admit it, and that's the first step to becoming better as person. Have a good day.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aldath View Post
    Also, the cultural research they did for the supposed "representation" of our cultures is surface level at best and "they did their homework, but did nothing with it" at worst. I mean, just look at the effing Taco, that's not even how authentic mexican tacos are.
    Genuine question, as I've never been to mexico and I'm curious - what *are* authentic mexican tacos like?
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  8. #158
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheapshot View Post
    What is the correct accent for Wuk Lamat?
    The correct one is any voice that sounds natural and authentic. Amateur level voice talent isn't going to be tolerated well in a AAA game like FFXIV.
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  9. #159
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    The voice actor took their shot and missed. Now like any meritocracy, time to find someone new and more competent.
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    Changing the cutscene voices to Japanese greatly improves Wuk's voice.
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